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Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by j1elo »

sph wrote: post #71
boba7 wrote: post #5

Anyone finally willing to admit that w10 is unusable on Hard Drives while Linux and W7 work fine on them?

Why do people still expect modern software to run at incredible speeds on hard disk drives? Run old technology with old software. It is ridiculous that consumer hardware is still being sold with crappy 5400 RPM disks in 2021. No, I have no interest in optimising my software for speeds that are 1/10th of my broadband. Unless we're talking archival or huge storage necessities, stop complaining about modern OS or games…

Your comment went for me from borderline troll, to holder of the truth on your reply at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27585139

As a C & C++ dev that has always cared that my software works on machines and networks that are a fraction of what I use for testing, I get so tired of careless programs that have clearly been designed for the latest beefiest machines that the devs had at that time.

Same for the web. It should be mandatory by Law to verify websites with the baseline of a 2G connection. (just... half kidding)

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by bl0b »

vel0city wrote: post #204
mulmen wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I upgraded from 7 to 10 I had an SSD in my machine but was never given an option to install 10 to the SSD. It requires some contortions to get physical install media and then start over on a new install on the SSD instead of doing any kind of convenient system migration. The "choice" I made was back in 2009 when I installed 7 to an HDD, which seems like a reasonable choice.

Resize and clone the install from the HDD to the SSD. I've had the same "install" of Windows since 2011, its gone through 3 different storage mediums, two different motherboards, and three different CPUs. My go-to for a low level copy between two different drives is Clonezilla. https://clonezilla.org/ GParted is also another live OS with good tools to manage partitions. https://gparted.org/

Does windows handle it alright when the hardware (motherboard/cpu) it's running on changes out from under it?

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by collaborative »

Silhouette wrote: post #211
sph wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do people still expect modern software to run at incredible speeds on hard disk drives? Run old technology with old software. It is ridiculous that consumer hardware is still being sold with crappy 5400 RPM disks in 2021. No, I have no interest in optimising my software for speeds that are 1/10th of my broadband. Unless we're talking archival or huge storage necessities, stop complaining about modern OS or games…

Run old technology with old software. That argument would be more convincing if Microsoft hadn't systematically pushed the owners of older PCs to update them to run Windows 10. How many millions of PCs dating from the early to mid 2010s are now stuck with the results despite their hardware still working normally?

I still can't believe they did that. Such disregard for the user

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by edgyquant »

boba7 wrote: post #5

Anyone finally willing to admit that w10 is unusable on Hard Drives while Linux and W7 work fine on them?

Maybe this is true, I installed Ubuntu on a hard drive not long ago and immediately bought an SSD. Apt installing build-essentials was a slog but takes like 20-30 seconds on an SSD. I guess you mean using the GUI but I don’t think I could go back to using any OS on an HDD.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by trainsplanes »

brundolf wrote: post #114
ncann wrote: post #24

I can't remember the last time I used Windows search because it's worse than useless - there have been multiple occasions in the past where it can't even find a file in the current folder right in front of my eyes. Nowadays I just use Everything which I think is one of the best piece of software ever.

An important thing that it took me a long time to realize is it doesn't search file names by default, only file contents. To search by name you have to use the 'name:' prefix. This is nonsense, but it's also easy to overcome once you know about it.

Trying this right now with various commonly opened files and still getting no results. It's incredible how bad it is.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by qzw »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #236
sharms wrote: post #146

Disappointed I didn't see fairly reasonable explanations around processor security bugs which impact broad system performance such as Spectre and Meltdown. This has a significant impact on Linux and Microsoft has even outlined that these fixes impact their performance (there have been many more security bugs identified since): https://www.microsoft.com/security/blog/2018/01/09/understan...

If this is really what's making the difference... I wonder if these mitigations shouldn't be automatically enabled for home users. The chances of Spectre or Meltdown actually managing to acquire sensitive data seems incredibly low. Is that worth the very large performance impact?

An incredibly low probability multiplied by ~billion+ users means somebody is going to lose something valuable sooner or later. And then the odds of MS getting sued for “not even patching a well-known vulnerability” becomes 100%.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by samplatt »

moth-fuzz wrote: post #45
boba7 wrote: post #5

Anyone finally willing to admit that w10 is unusable on Hard Drives while Linux and W7 work fine on them?

This has been precisely my experience. Windows 7 was fast on an HDD and blazing fast on a SSD. Windows 10 is unusable on an HDD and usable on an SSD. Still kinda sluggish, even then, for what it's worth. Not to mention the applications. A slow operating system that uses so much resources merely idling plus Applications-That-Are-Actually-Web-Browsers make day to day usage almost innavigable for someone with quick refl…

>almost innavigable for someone with quick reflexes

My few short years with Windows 3.1+ spoiled me for all future versions of windows. Instant closing, instant alt-tabbing, double-clicking the top-left corner icon to close, (nearly) instant opening of simple apps like File Manager and Notepad... not to mention the instant crashes.

Linux got close but still always felt clunky, while future versions of Windows and MacOS just kept abstracting themselves from my tactile sensation farther and farther away...

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by Arainach »

zokula wrote: post #233
Arainach wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You haven't needed to manually defragment hard drives in Windows in decades.

Yes you do. In fact in Windows/NTFS you can lose gigs of space from disk fragmentation.

The system does it automatically and has since at least Vista, probably XP. Furthermore, there's no benefit (and in fact active harm) to defragging an SSD.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

qzw wrote: post #246
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this is really what's making the difference... I wonder if these mitigations shouldn't be automatically enabled for home users. The chances of Spectre or Meltdown actually managing to acquire sensitive data seems incredibly low. Is that worth the very large performance impact?

An incredibly low probability multiplied by ~billion+ users means somebody is going to lose something valuable sooner or later. And then the odds of MS getting sued for “not even patching a well-known vulnerability” becomes 100%.

But that's also a billion+ users with much slower computers! So you need to compare the harm on both sides.

And then MS could add a switch in Settings for anyone who is concerned. (I realize not many people would find it, but it seems important for the option to be accessible, without digging into the registry or some such.)

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by rasz »

toast0 wrote: post #28
boba7 wrote: post #5

Anyone finally willing to admit that w10 is unusable on Hard Drives while Linux and W7 work fine on them?

Yep. Windows 7 would sometimes take a few minutes to finish whatever boot time disk i/o it wanted to do; for Windows 10 on a disk, it seemed to always be doing some i/o and never settled down.

Win10 is logging and tracelogging >100 separate useless things, just in case mothership would want to request them uploaded for telemetry purposes.
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