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Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by chippy »

arriu wrote: post #149

Has anyone looked at whether the mental stress or anxiety induced by putting someone through the process of getting the shot could be maybe be a reason for triggering this? Not the vaccine itself, but the whole routine of line up, answer questions about allergies and other risk factors, then waiting to get the shot, then having to sit there waiting for symptoms to show up... Not to mention people don't like needles e…

The placebo / nocebo effect is real. If people think they will feel good after taking something many of them will do and if people think they might get sick taking something, then many of them will do.

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Post by trhway »

munificent wrote: post #166
drcross wrote: post #161

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>which is what Covid binds to. You mean the SARS-2 spike protein binds to the ACE receptors. mRNA vaccines create the spike protein so it's going to work in exactly the same way as natural infection. Recent research from Japan is showing that the spike protein from vaccination is not staying at the injection site it can get into the blood stream (and causes blood clots as are widely reported), crossing the blood brai…

> As a healthy 30 year old I would prefer to take my risk with covid than take these vaccines. Unfortunate that you're also unilaterally forcing everyone you come into contact with to take that same risk if you are infected without realizing it.

> everyone you come into contact with to take that same risk

how come so if those "everyone" got vaccinated? I mean all the risk groups who has clearly higher risk from covid than vaccine should definitely go for vaccine. The rest - personal choice of risk. And as a healthy 49 years old, i'm taking my chance with covid and have no plans for vaccination (i was always laughing at anti-vaxxers, yet seeing all misinformation and propaganda (the stench of USSR strength propaganda is just overwhelming) around covid i think i'll pass this one)

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by myfavoritedog »

JPKab wrote: post #94

My mother-in-law died 9 days ago, after being on life-support for 2 weeks. All following a sudden onset cardiac arrest 3 hours after getting her second Pfizer shot. She had a fever from the shot, was sitting in the living room watching a movie with family, and her heart suddenly stopped. She was healthy and in her early 60's. The medical team, after a week, concluded it was likely vaccine induced, and reported it to…

Yep. I know of at least five stroke or adverse heart events in my social circle or one hop out, all had been vaccinated recently.

Like you, I maintain that it’s still a lesser risk than COVID... but there seems to be a lot of media/political pushback to just acknowledging the possibility of vaccine problems.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by ostenning »

JPKab wrote: post #218
ostenning wrote: post #156

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It’s alarming that I keep hearing about people who have lost people from a vaccine. It’s now at a higher rate than the virus itself. I’m awaiting Pfizer but I’m quite concerned. Which vaccine did she take?

I want to emphasize that these events are rare, although probably not as rare as you we think, and that I recommend to people to get vaccinated. That being said, I don't know a single person personally (I live in Colorado, with lots of family and friends in Virginia,NC, and DC) that has died or been hospitalized for COVID, and I happen to know 2 people who suffered cardiac arrest from the Pfizer vaccine, with one (my…

Thanks for the detailed response.

I feel for your family. That’s a difficult situation to deal with, and the marginalisation from society could only make it worse.

We need to be extremely critical and honest with our medicines, gas lighting should never happen in what is suppose to be an objective and unpolitical profession.

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Post by AareyBaba »

loa_in_ wrote: post #204
EMM_386 wrote: post #183

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> How long do spike proteins (SARS-CoV-2 or vaccine created) hang out if they make it to the heart? As far as I understand it, the vaccine doesn't work like this. It tells your immune system "hey this is what a SARS-CoV-2 spike protein looks like, attack it if you see it". So the vaccine wouldn't cause the heart damage, the vaccine does (intentionally) ramp up your immune system to learn about this new threat, which…

There are two variants of the vaccine: One is mRNA (?) variant that gets into your cells and makes them produce just the spike protein. This lets your immune system find this protein out and make antibodies. The other contains instead a partially destroyed viruses which trains the immune system directly on all their parts - the shell, the spikes, etc. I don't remember which company makes which kind but both are in pr…

Your insights are not entirely correct. There are more than two types of covid vaccines.

Coronavirus Vaccines - An Introduction by JAMA is a good starting point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMc3vL_MIeo

COVID-19 Vaccines goes into greater detail. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35Idb_lCU4o

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by nonbirithm »

Kognito wrote: post #147
nicoburns wrote: post #113

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Based on my personal experience, I'm pretty skeptical of this. I'm 28, healthy (or was previously), and have never previously had any issues with my heart. Got covid last April which came with quite sharp heart pain which seemed to match up very well to descriptions of myocarditis on and off for about 6 months. And I'm only just now getting to the point now where a raised heart beat isn't painful. You might say it's…

If you’re in a position to do so, I’d strongly recommend you get checked out if you’re having any kind of chest pain as your heart rate rises. I lost count of how many times I was told “you’re too young to have any heart issues” before eventually being diagnosed with myo. FWIW I’m younger than you and though mild, my symptoms seem to have taken 9 months to mostly resolve.

I'm also young and have had mild to moderate chest pain (stabbing) that comes in bursts and can last hours. This was after what I thought was a cardiac event in February of 2019, a year before the pandemic, when I suddenly started feeling lightheaded and seeing stars, but the EMS said nothing was wrong. Before that moment I never had any chest pain, and it still comes back to this day occasionally. I must have had an ECG a dozen times since then. I ordered a barrage of tests up to a heart ultrasound and a stress test, and nothing came of it all. I was frequently told it was unlikely anything was wrong because of my age.

It was a miserable period of my life, not knowing if I was going to survive to the next day. The pain is always on the left side of my chest and has fluctuated around various regions of it. Recently it became worse again after taking Adderall, which raised my heart rate, so I still suspect something is wrong with my heart, but it seems that after a year of stressful hospital visits and no definitive answers, I've exhausted everything that would have given me a diagnosis at this point.

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Post by oogabooga123 »

lnwlebjel wrote: post #232
oogabooga123 wrote: post #199

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Very interesting! But I would rather just get infected. To each their own, I’m sure we can agree!

FYI you're trading a known risk (COVID infection, complications, possibly lasting ones, eg. [1]) for a perhaps hypothetical, certainly very unlikely, one. [1] https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1402614193195393029/pho...

Thanks for the info! This doesn’t change my mind but I appreciate it anyway, and perhaps it will change the mind of some reader who was on the fence.

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Post by nrb »

trhway wrote: post #242
munificent wrote: post #166

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> As a healthy 30 year old I would prefer to take my risk with covid than take these vaccines. Unfortunate that you're also unilaterally forcing everyone you come into contact with to take that same risk if you are infected without realizing it.

> everyone you come into contact with to take that same risk how come so if those "everyone" got vaccinated? I mean all the risk groups who has clearly higher risk from covid than vaccine should definitely go for vaccine. The rest - personal choice of risk. And as a healthy 49 years old, i'm taking my chance with covid and have no plans for vaccination (i was always laughing at anti-vaxxers, yet seeing all misinforma…

"everyone" currently excludes a large number of people who would otherwise like to be immunized for a variety of reasons (age, medical risks), and vaccines are not 100% effective

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by sudosysgen »

HPsquared wrote: post #172
sudosysgen wrote: post #100

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Without vaccines the risk of catching covid is of around 70% at least.

Is that for an individual not taking the vaccine but benefiting from herd immunity of others, or a person in a while society without vaccines?

For society in general.

That said, there is no guarantee that herd immunity will ever be reached at least in the US. If herd immunity isn't reached then it's basically guaranteed you'll get it eventually as the disease becomes a "background disease".

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by Izkata »

JPKab wrote: post #98
peanut_worm wrote: post #78

Did anyone else get really bad side effects? I felt awful after my first shot and now I an currently recovering from my second shot and feel even worse. I don’t think I have ever felt this bad from an illness.

There is a relatively high rate (fully acknowledged) of high fever from the MRNA vaccines, particularly after the second dose. Compared to standard vaccines of the past, the rate of fever and illness is dramatically higher. But COVID is so dangerous and contagious that the benefit is higher than the cost. I say this as somebody (if you look at some of my previous comments) who lost my Mother-in-law due to a rare side…

> But COVID is so dangerous

It's only a little worse than the yearly flu, and heavily weighted towards old age (unlike the flu which badly affects all ages).

> and contagious

Yeah, that's much higher, which is why the absolute numbers look so bad.

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