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Re: Facebook extends its work-at-home policy to most employees

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Post by ipsum2 »

dreyfan wrote: post #75

I currently have 10 fully remote engineering jobs. The bar is so low, oversight is non-existent, and everyone is so forgiving for under performance I can coast about 4-8 weeks before a given job fires me. Currently on a $1.5M run-rate for comp this year. And the interviewing process is so much faster today, companies are desperate, it takes me 2-3hrs of total effort to land a new job with thousands to chose from.

How much work are you doing at these 10 companies? Are you writing code or just literally doing nothing?

Re: Facebook extends its work-at-home policy to most employees

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Post by tardismechanic »

ditonal wrote: post #40
magneticnorth wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious to hear why - what do you see as the drawback of more remote coworkers?

I'm mixed on remote work, even as an engineering IC, despite claims that only management want in-office. To me, the downside of remote coworkers is we've already seen a dynamic at many companies that start with "we'll allow remote workers" straight to "if we allow any in-person collaboration, then remote workers will be second-class citizens, so to pre-empt that, we will actively discourage any in person collaboratio…

> and employees are actively discouraged from eating with any teammates

I'm sorry what? How/why are they doing that? Huh? I'm lost

Re: Facebook extends its work-at-home policy to most employees

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Post by cletus »

nkozyra wrote: post #217
cletus wrote: post #189

Speaking as someone who now works remotely permanently, this has been... life-changing. So for 10 years I lived in NYC and--don't get me wrong--there are lots of things I liked about NYC but I'm so over the summers and the winters. Also bear in mind that I think NYC is infinitely better for most people to live in than the Bay Area. But I now live in Florida. It's about the 182nd day in a row where it's been 70-80F. S…

> But I now live in Florida. It's about the 182nd day in a row where it's been 70-80F. What part of Florida? It generally starts hitting 90 in May most of the state and stays there into November. I've lived in NYC and yes, January-March can be tough and a few weeks in September are awful but Florida is just oppressively hot for six+ months of the year. The worst part is it doesn't cool down at night so you don't even…

Miami. I'm not sure it's hit 90F hit but it's definitely hit 85-88F. So close. I'm not sure how much hotter it'll get but I'm all about it still.

I've thought about why this is. Not commuting I think is a big part of it. So the weather doesn't have to bother me if I don't want it to. Like I literally don't have to go anywhere.

I think the trade winds are a big factor too. Hot, humid and still is a special kind of hell.

Another is expectations. Like if you live in Miami you just assume it's going to be relatively warm (even hot) and humid. It's not a surprise.

Lastly, I have more space here and more facilities where I live. I can go for a swim easily even if I don't want to go to the beach.

I have been to Tampa in June/July years ago and that was hell. My circumstances were different and I'm sure my attitude was too. It actually turned me off Florida for years. Up until last year actually.

Funny story: when deciding where to work remotely last year I was strongly considering Dallas (maybe Austin) and decided on a whim to go to Miami instead. I said if I don't like it I'll just go to Texas. I haven't left. Funnily enough, in that time Texas had the big arctic storm and a foot of snow in Austin. I think I made the right choice.

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Post by heavyset_go »

rodgerd wrote: post #114
Godel_unicode wrote: post #69

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I don't understand this take at all, it's effectively saying that your pay should be driven by your needs as opposed to the value you create. I can see companies deciding that in-person value is different than remote, but where you are remotely doesn't matter. Especially in the same timezone. Working remotely from Kentucky vs Brooklyn makes no difference to the company, so why should they pay them differently? Do you…

> I don't understand this take at all, it's effectively saying that your pay should be driven by your needs as opposed to the value you create. Yes? Do you imagine a skilled programmer living in India gets paid the same for the same work as a skilled dev living in Indiana? Look, I'm all for less exploitation of workers, but I don't see how it's suddenly outrageous for American workers to experience employer relations…

> Do you imagine a skilled programmer living in India gets paid the same for the same work as a skilled dev living in Indiana?

I know of several expats that do exactly this, working remotely for US based companies.

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Post by cactus2093 »

GongOfFour wrote: post #232
cactus2093 wrote: post #215

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> NYC summers are a special kind of hell beyond the heat and humidity That is absolutely wild to me. I also lived in NYC for 10 years, the summers there are magical. The city comes alive in such a unique way, people are outside relaxing in the parks, having backyard and rooftop parties, heading out to the beach on the weekends. There are a bunch of great weekend trips to be had a few hours away by train in Long Islan…

Did you commute every day on the subway? If so how long? I lived in NYC for 10 years and I hated the summer daily commute because all that aliveness led to hangovers and me sweating all that magicalness out daily on my walk and wait on the platform. You aren't wrong that NYC is great in the summer but it's also a special kind of hell with heat and humidity. Both can be true.

Lol, fair enough. I do remember once being pretty dehydrated and being about to pass out on the subway ride home from work, standing in the middle of the packed, sweltering train with no room to move. Luckily someone saw me looking pale and offered me their seat.

But at least in hindsight the good outweighs the bad :)

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Post by [deleted] »

throw2932away wrote: post #179

I've honestly been thinking through what it would be like to have a second full-time job. And by that, I mean actually executing satisfactory work for two organizations for the long-term. I work in a relatively niche space and am able to operate at a more efficient level than the type of employee most companies are looking to hire for the salary the employer wants to pay. I make good money but if I ran at 100% capaci…

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Post by rejectedandsad »

FearlessNebula wrote: post #235
dangwu wrote: post #186

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Non-engineering stuff, typically. Cafeteria workers, security, etc.

So I suppose intern is also L3?

At my company intern engineers are the same level as new grads yes.

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Post by schoolornot »

tutmeister wrote: post #216
minsc__and__boo wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whiteboarding has been a real loss here. It feels like ages since I picked up a marker and made a data model. There really is no remote alternative that isn't super expensive or lacks the responsiveness of in-person.

Have you tried Miro? It's $8/month if you want to invite others to edit your board. I find it offers good value at that price point. I'm a UX/product manager though, so I tend to pull in a lot of external visuals while I'm working. So YMMV.

I am worried that Miro is becoming the new Jira.

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Post by ianhawes »

tshaddox wrote: post #223
cletus wrote: post #189

Speaking as someone who now works remotely permanently, this has been... life-changing. So for 10 years I lived in NYC and--don't get me wrong--there are lots of things I liked about NYC but I'm so over the summers and the winters. Also bear in mind that I think NYC is infinitely better for most people to live in than the Bay Area. But I now live in Florida. It's about the 182nd day in a row where it's been 70-80F. S…

I've never lived or spent significant summer time in Florida or New York City, but your descriptions of summer weather sounded surprising to me. I looked up weather data, and Jacksonville, Miami, and Tampa all get significantly hotter (4-7 degrees Fahrenheit higher average temperatures in the hottest part of summer), muggier, and cloudier in the summer. Only Miami is consistently windier in the summer than NYC. Is th…

IIRC part of South Florida (around Ft. Lauderdale) is the only tropical rainforest climate in the CONUS.

I've spent time in the mid-Atlantic region and time in South Florida. Miami in July is the closest thing to hell on Earth. But I'd rather deal with that and live in a beautiful climate year-round than deal with north eastern winters.

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Post by Spooky23 »

tshaddox wrote: post #223
cletus wrote: post #189

Speaking as someone who now works remotely permanently, this has been... life-changing. So for 10 years I lived in NYC and--don't get me wrong--there are lots of things I liked about NYC but I'm so over the summers and the winters. Also bear in mind that I think NYC is infinitely better for most people to live in than the Bay Area. But I now live in Florida. It's about the 182nd day in a row where it's been 70-80F. S…

I've never lived or spent significant summer time in Florida or New York City, but your descriptions of summer weather sounded surprising to me. I looked up weather data, and Jacksonville, Miami, and Tampa all get significantly hotter (4-7 degrees Fahrenheit higher average temperatures in the hottest part of summer), muggier, and cloudier in the summer. Only Miami is consistently windier in the summer than NYC. Is th…

If you’re moving from NYC to Florida as a techie you’re making some bank and are in a nice, modern place with central air near the water, golf course, or whatever your thing is.

In NYC, you’re almost certainly in an older, smaller building and likely have lousy HVAC. The subway is great, but in many stations you learn to love the unique aroma of garbage juice mixed with hot piss that tends to be a thing.

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