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Australian Federal Police and FBI nab underworld figures using encrypted app

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Does anyone find it funny that each criminal group could have been better off relying on a "kid who knows computers" level of expertise and bog standard devices running open source software which at least wouldn't be trivially systematically turned against them all at once quite so easily.

Protip to the cartels - pay top dollar to some world class engineers to setup a dark web market and you'll make buckets. Most if not all markets until now have been run by geeks with limited knowledge and skills, wading in to the criminal underworld and inevitably making rookie mistakes. Both Ross and the guy in Bangkok had their personal emails tied to the markets. Some kids running a big market from Germany connect…

We don't know how Ross and other dark web folks were caught, despite all the official stories. We know what the FBI _tells_ us was the security issue. However, the Snowden doc's reveal that they are instructed to construct other legitimate stories for how to implicate a criminal after the have compromised him in order to not reveal their tactics. The exact term they used in the docs escapes my memory, but we only know that Ross _was_ captured, but we have no clue how. Perhaps he had perfect op-sec, but the real security issue was a raft of 0-day attacks and then they signed up something in his name, later legally gagging him. We really have no clue.

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$220M is not pocket money, but Durov's net worth is apparently $17.2B, so he could afford it for a few more years https://www.forbes.com/profile/pavel-durov/

He was listed on the Forbes Billionaires List in 2021, with a net worth of $17.2 billion. His fortune is largely driven by his ownership of Telegram - Wikipedia. So billions from Telegram, a free app. What am I missing?

That's a valid point. It's free now but they do have some plans for monetization (ads in channels with huge numbers of subscribers etc.)

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What we've learned is only what was in Austrlia's piece of the cake, given they started their day already. New Zeland had theirs already, too. I imagine thousands of arrests are still happening worldwide and several press conferences are going to be held today. Looking at the seal of the operation ( https://www.anom.io/trojan_shield_seal.jpg ), following countries participated in the operation: Canada, Australia, US,…

Bitcoin price might take a hit or two.

It already dropped significantly after the Feds announced that they'd seized most of the Colonial Pipeline ransom [1]

Right now $31,916/BTC, down over 11% from ~$36,100 24 hours ago... and falling.

[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/08/bitcoin-btc-price-slides-as-...

Re: Australian Federal Police and FBI nab underworld figures using encrypted app

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I'm happy they are catching criminals, but now I wonder how many of my encryption and privacy software is actually an FBI front.

That is why effective end to end encryption is so important. It doesn't matter who is behind it. That is the whole point. No trust required.

The app can just leak your keys to a central database? Using code other people wrote/compiled always requires trust.

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Makes you wonder how many commercial VPN services are just FBI honeypots?

Especially VPN services that got acquired, like Private Internet Access, acquired by what many people describe to be a malware company.

Wait, what? What did I miss?

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You have to respect this type of policing approach, the ironey is just delicious when you consider: 1) They socialy engineered their target just like scammers would 2) They got the target to install and trust some 3rd party app they supplied 3) Then the victim pyramid pushed the scam app onto others. We often read (1) and (2) all the time with various scams from call centres, now the law has used that approach agains…

> They got the target to install and trust some 3rd party app I just heard on the radio (I’m an Aussie) that it’s not a phone app, it’s some kind if dedicated device that doesn’t do sms, mail or voice, only encrypted messages (that the law enforcement had the keys to).

> it’s some kind if dedicated device that doesn’t do sms, mail or voice, only encrypted messages (that the law enforcement had the keys to).

I gotta be honest, I would find the idea there kind of appealing ...

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>the AFP is now telling Ayik to hand himself in to avoid recriminations from his associates The Australian Federal Police premise that he would be safer from reprisals in prison is an extremely shaky one [1] Although if they can cut him off from all funds, it might become true. [1] edit: https://www.aic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-05/tandi103.... - "homicide rate ... is up to 7 times higher [than outside]"

That study computes that you're 7x more likely to get murdered in prison than in the "comparable non-prison community", but "comparable" here seems to be only for age/gender. I imagine the homicide rate is a wee bit higher than average for drug kingpins, particularly those seen to have ratted out 100+ people, even unintentionally.

Yeah this guy presumably had a wide ranging network of people who he knows, who haven't been caught, but may be exposed ... by him. This dude now poses a risk to a lot of very worried people right now and presumably the people he relies on are running for cover / maybe less likely to protect him.

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But yours assumes that Russia doesn't do counter-intel and wouldn't be looking for exactly these kinds of infiltrations. If it is obvious to us that these things would be targets, I'm pretty sure it is obvious to Russian intelligence services.

Shady fly by night data hosting doing counter-intel, or better, Putin spending his precious rubles on running counter-intel ops for shady fly by night hosting companies, are both hilarious.

Russian govt has always held counter intel to be a top priority and they devote an enormous amount of resources towards it, so why is that hilarious?

Re: Australian Federal Police and FBI nab underworld figures using encrypted app

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Protip to the cartels - pay top dollar to some world class engineers to setup a dark web market and you'll make buckets. Most if not all markets until now have been run by geeks with limited knowledge and skills, wading in to the criminal underworld and inevitably making rookie mistakes. Both Ross and the guy in Bangkok had their personal emails tied to the markets. Some kids running a big market from Germany connect…

We don't know how Ross and other dark web folks were caught, despite all the official stories. We know what the FBI _tells_ us was the security issue. However, the Snowden doc's reveal that they are instructed to construct other legitimate stories for how to implicate a criminal after the have compromised him in order to not reveal their tactics. The exact term they used in the docs escapes my memory, but we only kno…

>The exact term they used in the docs escapes my memory

Parallel reconstruction is the phrase you're after.

Re: Australian Federal Police and FBI nab underworld figures using encrypted app

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post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Protip to the cartels - pay top dollar to some world class engineers to setup a dark web market and you'll make buckets. Most if not all markets until now have been run by geeks with limited knowledge and skills, wading in to the criminal underworld and inevitably making rookie mistakes. Both Ross and the guy in Bangkok had their personal emails tied to the markets. Some kids running a big market from Germany connect…

We don't know how Ross and other dark web folks were caught, despite all the official stories. We know what the FBI _tells_ us was the security issue. However, the Snowden doc's reveal that they are instructed to construct other legitimate stories for how to implicate a criminal after the have compromised him in order to not reveal their tactics. The exact term they used in the docs escapes my memory, but we only kno…

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