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Re: In Mexico, cartels are hunting down police at their homes

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Post by stjohnswarts »

austhrow743 wrote: post #107
qPM9l3XJrF wrote: post #31

I'm reminded of this recent viral Youtube which depicts what is apparently a routine occurrence in South Africa: A professional gang, armed with heavy caliber weapons, executes a sophisticated highway ambush in an attempt to capture a vehicle loaded with cell phones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAvqDF3Wujc I watched an interview with Leo Prinsloo, the star of the video. He mentioned that although this incident we…

I think Mexican cartels are well past just having ex police and ex military members and are effectively have the status of "monopoly on force" in some regions. Here's CJNG showing off some of their troops: https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ht8bx7/this... Here's one of them not only with a police escort but happy to show it: https://old.reddit.com/r/NarcoFootage/comments/mdq35m/cjng_o...

Yeah it really is time for the Mexican federal government to start training elite military forces to take out these guys and treat them as full on terrorists and kill on sight orders. War is ugly.

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Post by justnotworthit »

Red_Tarsius wrote: post #187

" Not a failed state " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_San_Fernando_massacre > Mass murder of 193 people by Los Zetas drug cartel at La Joya ranch in the municipality of San Fernando, Tamaulipas, Mexico in March 2011. Authorities investigating the massacre reported numerous hijackings of passenger buses on Mexican Federal Highway 101 in San Fernando, and the kidnapped victims were later killed and buried in 47 cla…

> Just another day in Mexico.

Comical exaggeration doesn't help your case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Mexico

> Failed state

According the the wikipedia article, the military took over the town and arrested 82 people, including the leaders and local police. If by failed state you mean Tamaulipas, sure. If you mean Mexico, you need to talk about degrees of failure.

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Post by ok_ok »

narrator wrote: post #99

The problem with saying legalization will solve everything is the legal industries, such as avocados, are subject to extortion by the cartels. So if you legalized drugs you'd just have cartels extorting the legal drug makers and have the same amount of violence and gang activity. Some areas where the local militia has replaced the police now exist because the police are too demoralized, corrupt or scared to protect t…

I really think Hacker News is the stupidest collection of people on earth.

Cocaine, once it's across the border, costs at least 5k-10k per kilo in bulk. An individual kilo goes for 30k+. Do you really not get the difference between that and avocados, you fucking dimwit?

Re: In Mexico, cartels are hunting down police at their homes

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Post by ok_ok »

tacitusarc wrote: post #230
boterock wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The case here is that coca traffickers and producers are very different. Producers the bottom of the chain, who live in the violence, sometimes they’re threatened if they try to change their crops. Traffickers are the ones that have got into politics, actively sabotaging any effort of legalization, while also controlling the mass media, and preaching under the blessing of US drug fight. That is the very same group of…

This comment feels like trolling to me...

It's one of the few comments in this thread that isn't retarded nonsense actually. Maybe you're just dumb?

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Post by rendall »

asdff wrote: post #159
totalZero wrote: post #95

What are the arguments against two years of compulsory police (or naval) service for men at age 18 in Mexico? It would certainly alter the political dynamics of the war on drug cartels if moms nationwide were to send their sons to fight trafficking, and scooping young men out of their communities might prevent them from getting involved in criminal enterprises.

There are gang members in the U.S. who join the military to receive weapons training. It won't eliminate the problem. You will just see corrupt soldiers instead of corrupt police.

> There are gang members in the U.S. who join the military to receive weapons training.

1) There are people everywhere who do all sorts of things. The nightly news is replete with one-off events presented as a worrying trend. Is it a thing to worry about? is the question.

2) What's worse than a gang member entering military service? A gang member not entering military service: a 4 year commitment to being told what to do by your betters, learning life skills like how to cooperate and follow instructions. Would a "gang member" go back to his old life after successfully navigating that? Depends on the gang I suppose, but not many I would imagine.

3) With compulsory service, everyone would have weapons training, criminals and non-criminals alike.

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Post by MaxDPS »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #241
austhrow743 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Mexican cartels are well past just having ex police and ex military members and are effectively have the status of "monopoly on force" in some regions. Here's CJNG showing off some of their troops: https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ht8bx7/this... Here's one of them not only with a police escort but happy to show it: https://old.reddit.com/r/NarcoFootage/comments/mdq35m/cjng_o...

Yeah it really is time for the Mexican federal government to start training elite military forces to take out these guys and treat them as full on terrorists and kill on sight orders. War is ugly.

I’m sure that’s what they’ve been doing. And it works to some extent. The problem is that often times those elite forces find out there is more money to be made either working with the cartels, or replacing them altogether.

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Post by qart »

josephcsible wrote: post #232
qart wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't hack. The send legal notices to the companies. They have sent legal notices to get people on Google, Facebook, etc. I still wrote my comment assuming that HN is obscure enough for them not to be aware of it.

Why would a site hosted outside of India respond to a legal notice from India?

The usual reason is that if they don't, the website gets banned in India.

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Post by timka »

Does anyone remember what happened when the authorities tried to destroy favelas in Brazil? Criminals started eliminating police officers' families. That's the way it works. You don't touch them, they don't touch you.

Anyone knows what happened when Russians eliminated their 'thieves in law' (criminal bosses)? Street crime overwhelmed that city.

You can't live w/o counter-elite. There's a kind of balance, as always.

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Post by 9935c101ab17a66 »

mulander wrote: post #219
alex_sf wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it doesn't, they just transfer to other illegal activities, see: bootlegging by organized crime during prohibition. The problem the cartels will face is that there is no other business that makes as much money, and it would require a retool of the entire organization (or scale up, at a minimum) to get back to even a fraction of their power. Cartels are not some unstoppable juggernaut: they run on capital, s…

> The problem the cartels will face is that there is no other business that makes as much money This is not true. See this article[1] and HN thread[2]: > “It’s good business,” El Polkas says with a shrug. “It makes a lot of money.” When I ask how gasoline compares to narcotics, in terms of overall revenue to Los Zetas, he rubs his index fingers together. “Fifty-fifty,” he says. “It’s approximately as profitable as dr…

One anecdote and a thread about semi-fictional action movies about Brazilian Special Police Operators? Not exactly the strongest rebuttal.

And a quick search reveals:

>he Mexican government said fuel theft — huachicol as it is known in Spanish — decreased from about 60,000 barrels per day in 2018 to about 11,000 a day in 2019, with estimated savings of $6 billion.

> According to Pemex, fuel theft averaged about 4,440 barrels per day in 2020.

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/despite-some-successes-mex...

I have no idea how good the source is, but there's just absolutely no way black market fuel sales could ever generate the same amount of revenue.

> On 2 July state-owned oil firm Pemex reported a 114 per cent year-on-year increase in illegal tapping during the first four months of 2020, during which authorities recovered 9,291,986 litres of stolen fuel with a commercial value of MXN157m (around US$7m).

10,000,000 only has a commercial value of $7m. Imagine the logistics of scaling that kind of operation.

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Post by webinvest »

ratsmack wrote: post #116

>It is a type of direct attack on officers seldom seen outside of the most gang-plagued nations of Central America and poses the most direct challenge yet to President Andrés Manuel López Obrador’s policy of avoiding violence and rejecting any war on the cartels. Why would the Mexican President not want to just get rid of the cartels?

In the year President Andrés Manuel López won, 113 politicians and 43 candidates running for office were assassinated. That was about 2/3rds of all of the presidential candidates.

This year, 34 Mexican presidential candidates have been murdered so far.

Most people want to get rid of the cartels and every year, people try, but all of the Mexican presidential candidates that want to, get murdered by a Mexican cartel.

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