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I can name 5 without even putting 10 seconds' thought into it
And those 5 are?
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Would it really be that difficult for a big company like Google or Facebook to operate from a fleet of floating data centers in international waters utilizing dedicated satellites for connectivity? If you denounce your citizenship and do not declare a new nationality you are only bound by maritime law.
In a situation like that, the place if effectice management and/or the central management and control would probably be how the tax residency is decided.
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From a corporation's point of view, it's fine if your competitors are treated the same as you are (in a competitive market). But, even if so, CEOs/board members are often those high net worth individuals. So there's a potential conflict of interest that isn't resolvable. This explains why corporations will lobby against a minimum tax, even if the institution doesn't ultimately care.
Corporations have a fiduciary obligation to maximize shareholder value. Raising taxes on your profits is surely not in the interest of your shareholders. It doesn't matter if it isn't worse for you competitively. It's worse for your profits. If you could have more competition AND more profits, you would want that.
There's absolutely nothing in most jurisdictions that require corporations do seek to maximise value without other considerations and at all cost.
Even if that was the case what "maximizes shareholder value" is highly subjective and/or hard to assess objectively in most cases.
E.g. if you believe (whether true or not) that equalising corporation tax would benefit the finances of your customers (maybe your customers are mostly small cap domestic companies that are damaged by competition with large multinationals that can afford tax sheltering; or maybe you think making such tax sheltering impossible will encourage companies with large cash hoards abroad to actually start spending, since paying tax on the profits means even low returns from reinvesting in expansion will suddenly be relatively more attractive than it used to be), then you might well have a reasonably held belief that such a tax would benefit your company.
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#244Re: U.S. Backs 15% Global Minimum Tax to Curb Profit Shifting Overseas
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It’s strange that you recognize new stable equilibriums emerging as unanticipated consequences of global capital liberalization but you advocate for trying to maintain a new unstable equilibrium instead of thinking about viable strategies that may work. As a piece of advice, if your solution requires 100% compliance by random nations in order for you to tax your own citizens/corporations, then your solution is square…
Restricting the money flow in and out of a country is something we like to ding China for, and is a big reason why cryptocurrencies have become very popular there; maybe the unstable equilibrium is merely the mechanism we use to tax corporations.
That's not what's going on here. In a fiat money world, money doesn't move out of a country, it is held in correspondent accounts. E.g. there is a bank account here with your name on it. When you think you are moving your money, you sell that bank account to foreigner, and now their name is on it. They sell a bank account in their native country to you. No money has moved in the course of this transaction, rather you have entered into an ongoing financial relationship in a foreign nation without being subject to that nations laws (beyond a bare minimum of requirements) or tax obligations. That is what "unfettered cross border capital flows refers to". It is not so much something that needs to be stopped as something that needs to be actively allowed, because you need an entire system of international investor rights and banks with pairwise correspondent accounts in both nations to make such an arrangement work. There is a massive infrastructure needed to support this illusion that you can "move" money from one country to another with the click of a link.
And this system didn't exist even 30 years ago, it's a new system.
The question is whether the benefits outweigh the costs. If you allow this you are going to have lots of problems with tax evasion. But I'm not sure what the real upside is here. The only purpose of these foreign capital inflows is to finance trade deficits, and that doesn't seem to be in our interest, either.
Moreover, what we dinged China for is not preventing capital outflows but preventing capital inflows, and we rightly pointed out that this forces trade surpluses, which is kinda the point (see my comment about "only purpose"). So of course China, which is interested in running surpluses rather than deficits, is going to block inflows. The question is why do we allow them?
Thus we are back to the unstable equilibrium of trying to get everyone to agree to maintain this vast international system but promise not to try to tweak it to their advantage. Well, China has pretty clearly demonstrated that it's not going to play along -- neither is Korea or Taiwan, for that matter, so why are we still pretending the unstable equilibrium -- this dream of converting a world with sovereign fiat currencies into one that looks like the old specie flow model -- is a thing that can exist?
The only reason is because for a lot of influential people, these capital inflows are highly profitable -- e.g. for those who can skim a little off the top. Just like Bermuda's tax laws are beneficial to financial advisors and bank staff in Bermuda. But let's not let this minority set the overall national policy: yes, these capital inflows benefit the US financial sector, as US banks can now charge fees to customers all over the world who want to maintain accounts in the U.S, but they do not benefit the US economy nor the US tax base.
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Isn’t that why more than 50% of the globe blindly worship an abrahamic god?
So hip, so edgy
The fact is that all abrahamists follow some version of a silly book in which some sky daddy told a man in a desert that they are the choosen people and that by following that specific man, they have the right to dominion over the earth.
These philosophies also all lay out rules for how and when they may tax, kill and enslave those of the other religion.
So yes, at least 50% of the earth’s population are OK with one group dominating the tax laws of the planet, as long as it is their group.
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They wouldn't have made it if the US had high tax rates like Europe either. You can't have your cake and eat it as well.
There is an optimal Corp tax rate and you can have a data-driven discussion about it. It’s most likely higher than 20%. Def lower than 50%.
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Why do other countries need to sign the agreement? They don't really seem like they have any part in this process.
Because if the US did this by itself, all of our crown jewel companies might leave. So the agreement is an attempt to prevent that from happening. It could still happen. Maybe Amazon would move to the Bahamas, or any other country that doesn't sign the agreement. But the hope is that if most industrialized countries sign on, then that risk would be minimized.
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So hip, so edgy
Sure, whatever. The fact is that all abrahamists follow some version of a silly book in which some sky daddy told a man in a desert that they are the choosen people and that by following that specific man, they have the right to dominion over the earth. These philosophies also all lay out rules for how and when they may tax, kill and enslave those of the other religion. So yes, at least 50% of the earth’s population…
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There is an optimal Corp tax rate and you can have a data-driven discussion about it. It’s most likely higher than 20%. Def lower than 50%.
0% works fine. That's how we've had it under Islamic law, and it worked (and works) out perfectly.