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Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by anoncake »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #66
fooqux wrote: post #44

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> many of us don’t want our iPads or iPhones to be like our computers And many of us do . I would never buy a locked-down piece of hardware like that. But I don't think it matters either way what either side wants, because it's what Apple wants that matters. They want to keep their walled garden's walls air tight, and there are apparently enough people that are OK living in that garden that it works. I'm positive tha…

Like everything in technology, you have a choice. If you want openness at the expense of security and privacy, you can purchase an Android or Windows device. If you want security and privacy more than openness, you buy an iPhone. The Hacker News crowd is unique in that we want to have our cake and eat it too by making the iPhone work more like Android and expressing outrage that such a choice exists. So even though I…

I don't think anyone would mind if Apple offered two -- otherwise identical -- versions of each Iphone: One locked down and one not. Or Iphones could be unlocked by default but you can pay extra to have them permanently locked. People would pay for that if locking down their phones actually provides value to them.

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by pwinnski »

vcxy wrote: post #199
pwinnski wrote: post #197

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The Paperwhite is indeed locked down.

Figured as much. It's been in airplane mode the entire time I've owned it and I just put books on it with calibre. I guess this somehow mirrors how some people feel about their Apple devices? They don't notice it being locked down because it already does what they want? The other alternative is what I can't relate to at all: the device doesn't do what they want due to being locked down, but they're ok with the trade-…

I use both an iPhone and a Kindle Paperwhite. Like yours, my Paperwhite has been in airplane mode since I bought it, and I've never cared about missing anything on iOS either.

I am well aware that of the choice I'm making, and will continue to make the same choice in both cases.

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by reledi »

fooqux wrote: post #44
threeseed wrote: post #32

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Apple’s blanket ban on interpreted code is not arbitrary. It is there to prevent apps circumventing the review process and security model ie. apps pretending to do X during the review process and then doing Y when in use or obfuscating their use of private APIs. Now you can argue these restrictions are unreasonable but many of us don’t want our iPads or iPhones to be like our computers.

> many of us don’t want our iPads or iPhones to be like our computers And many of us do . I would never buy a locked-down piece of hardware like that. But I don't think it matters either way what either side wants, because it's what Apple wants that matters. They want to keep their walled garden's walls air tight, and there are apparently enough people that are OK living in that garden that it works. I'm positive tha…

> They want to keep their walled garden's walls air tight, and there are apparently enough people that are OK living in that garden that it works.

For many, including me, it's not some inconvenience that we are okay with. We see it as a selling point.

I've tried them all and Apple's balance of openness/security/quality is the best I've experienced. If they follow the direction of others, I'd probably jump ship.

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by anoncake »

Someone wrote: post #222
caddybox wrote: post #70

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> Apple sells $20-30 billion worth of iPads each year. > I think they might just survive without your business. The parent post makes some the argument that the restrictive nature of iOS makes it unappealing to certain users. You counter that with a discussion-ending argument about how much money Apple makes. Not everything that makes billions of dollars is immune to criticism. Especially since Apple markets the iPad…

> Especially since Apple markets the iPad as a "computer" Do they? I don’t follow their ads closely, but I can’t find the word “computer” on https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/ (given the 8tneractivity on that page, it still may be there, but I tried looking hard, and couldn’t find it), and they have an explicit ad saying “iPad Pro — Your next computer is not a computer” ( https://youtube.com/watch?v=09_QxCcBEyU ) Can yo…

If an iPad Pro can be your next computer, it must be a computer.

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by ActorNightly »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #198
ActorNightly wrote: post #167

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I still dont get how people pretend Apple cares about privacy. By default Apple devices phone home and collect data on you, and this is not optional, and they will hand that data to law enforcement. They also have the ability to change their data handling policieson a whim since there is nobody holding them accountable. THIS IS NOT PRIVACY. Not that windows or android devices are better as they come out of the box, b…

So what's the deal? Any company that makes users opt out of diagnostic data is just as bad as the companies whose entire business model is predicated around collecting as much data as possible about you and selling it to people whose sole ambition is to manipulate you? Are these two things really equally bad? We can't acknowledge that one of those is considerably more in favor of privacy than the other--they must bot…

Once you get past the fact that any data you don't explicitly control is by definition not private, the next conversation is about how much you are able to trust a particular company with the data they collect, and that is really an individuals choice.

Niven stuff like iCloud leaks, and Apple bending over to appease China by removing the protest app from the app store (which completely makes it unable to be installed on any non jailbroken device btw), I personally don't really see a reason to trust them any more than Facebook or Google.

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by olyjohn »

threeseed wrote: post #57
fooqux wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> many of us don’t want our iPads or iPhones to be like our computers And many of us do . I would never buy a locked-down piece of hardware like that. But I don't think it matters either way what either side wants, because it's what Apple wants that matters. They want to keep their walled garden's walls air tight, and there are apparently enough people that are OK living in that garden that it works. I'm positive tha…

Apple sells $20-30 billion worth of iPads each year. I think they might just survive without your business. And pretty sure it demonstrates that their formula of security and privacy over openness is the right one for them.

I think what you mean to say is that their marketing with regards to their security is working. Do you think all of those people with iPads really spend more than 20 seconds investigating the security of iOS?

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by ActorNightly »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #178
ActorNightly wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still dont get how people pretend Apple cares about privacy. By default Apple devices phone home and collect data on you, and this is not optional, and they will hand that data to law enforcement. They also have the ability to change their data handling policieson a whim since there is nobody holding them accountable. THIS IS NOT PRIVACY. Not that windows or android devices are better as they come out of the box, b…

You’re in an echo chamber. By default, iPhones do send diagnostic data, but that data can be disabled in Settings. They also upload your files in an encrypted connection (but without end to end encryption) into your iCloud backup, and that can be handed over with a subpoena, but you can disable iCloud backup or simply not pay for it.

Nope. There is data that it sends that is non optional.

Proof: go into settings and disable every tracking options, and then capture traffic from the device through a router with openwrt running tcpdump or wireshark on a computer with a bridge setup with ip forwarding and iptables rule.

Did this experiment already twice to prove to people that Apple device do phone home plenty. Then I repeat the same experiment with my rooted android phone running a custom rom, and people watch the sparse wireshark trace with the only packets being sent are dns then ntp to the android ntp server.

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by CountSessine »

fouric wrote: post #234
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #173

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I think you're right when it comes to security, but in order for that to work Apple would have to admit that checking apps for security issues is not inseparable from imposing rules that are supposed to benefit their own business model. That said, here's a challenge for everybody (including myself) who doesn't like Apple's app store monopoly and side-loading ban: Apple now requires apps to ask for permission before t…

> How would you prevent this from happening? Very simply - enforce security permissions at the OS level, rather than the app store level. There's no technical reason an app store also has to handle permissions. Leave the discoverability/reviews/curation functionality in the app store, and then just move the app installation functionality into the OS - the app store delivers an app package which the OS accepts, parses…

"Facebook wants access to your address book:

In order to view your facebook timeline and newsfeed, we need access to your address book. Please allow access.

Allow/Deny"

There's no automated capabilities-based OS-level permissions model that can protect against this. Accessing the address book is a legitimate app request - just not for Facebook Inc. in my opinion. But they can gate access to your timeline and friends by demanding it. And I guarantee you that 9/10 smartphone users will grant it. This is why you need curation and app store rules.

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by m463 »

threeseed wrote: post #32
jeroenhd wrote: post #24

It's clear AS is a great advancement in general computing, but every piece like this reads as "the hardware is amazing, and it's totally worth it to work around these arbitrary software restrictions". This performance would've been available on iPads years ago if it wasn't for Apple's blanket ban on JIT and the likes. Apple is one of those companies whose hardware I'd love to have if it wasn't for their software and…

Apple’s blanket ban on interpreted code is not arbitrary. It is there to prevent apps circumventing the review process and security model ie. apps pretending to do X during the review process and then doing Y when in use or obfuscating their use of private APIs. Now you can argue these restrictions are unreasonable but many of us don’t want our iPads or iPhones to be like our computers.

What good is the security model if every app has unfettered network access?

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by throwaway894345 »

ActorNightly wrote: post #245
throwaway894345 wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what's the deal? Any company that makes users opt out of diagnostic data is just as bad as the companies whose entire business model is predicated around collecting as much data as possible about you and selling it to people whose sole ambition is to manipulate you? Are these two things really equally bad? We can't acknowledge that one of those is considerably more in favor of privacy than the other--they must bot…

Once you get past the fact that any data you don't explicitly control is by definition not private, the next conversation is about how much you are able to trust a particular company with the data they collect, and that is really an individuals choice. Niven stuff like iCloud leaks, and Apple bending over to appease China by removing the protest app from the app store (which completely makes it unable to be installed…

So an emphatic "yes" on all accounts then? Am I interpreting you correctly?
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