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F150 is the best selling vehicle in America. The price is actually comparable to the gas version. This might be the vehicle that really changes the EV game.

If they have the capacity to produce the battery en masse, which is doubtful given what they announced so far. Only Tesla and VW seem to be serious about this.

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post #150

Ironically, the frunk on electric trucks is a game-changer. Complementing the bed with an enclosed, waterproof, secure place to carry things (and no mucking around with insecure bed covers) is a killer feature. No more springing for a crew cab just to carry groceries in the rear seats. In terms of practical carrying capacity this dominates an SUV.

Agreed, which makes it strange that it’s only available as a crew cab.

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There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

None of them have ever had to carry planks of wood from Home Depot.

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I have no idea if this’ll be lightning or a lead balloon, because a significant amount of pickup truck buyers do it for the machismo. Which sounds like some city-slicker talking down to the cheap seats, except, I grew up in a town named Farmington. (Go Farmers.) I know pickups. I know the people who drive pickups. My dad sneers at fancy new pickups because he used to shove a good 700 pounds of mink pelts in a pickup,…

It isn't fair to characterize everyone this way. I've owned my fair share of small cars (by US standards) but I bought a used F150 (my first truck) a few years ago and I love it. I don't care about how loud the engine is, nor do I think it makes me any more macho (I don't buy things for what others think of me.) It carts my family around comfortably and I can haul lots of things with it without caring if it's dirty/w…

It will take some change in behavior, but it’s worked out ok for me. I charge over night (and frequently using solar in the day when at home). That leaves me with 400km of range everyday.

For those infrequent long trips I stop every 3 hours/350km and charge for 30 mins. Watch some Netflix, use laptop, or have a short nap and move on. Works out ok.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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It's great to see the best selling vehicle in the US be zero emissions. It's wonderful. But this truck will be very heavy, very tall, and very fast. Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I'm very worried about the effect of making this vehicle even faster and heavier. Hopefully reduced deaths from pollution offset this.

It needn't have been this tall. With the internal combustion engine out, Ford could have designed a lower, more curved, less deadly front end. Instead, they kept the high nose and used the space as a trunk. After all, injuring fewer pedestrians sells no cars. Indeed, the market prefers an enormous, deliberately threatening-looking chariot that makes you feel big and virile. Ford are behind this game in that they have…

Blame for killing falls on the driver of the vehicle, not on the company designing it or the shape of the front of the vehicle.

Don't hit anyone with your vehicle and you won't kill anyone. I've been hit by a truck bicycling, thankfully not too hard. But I don't really think it would have been better to have been hit by a low slung sleek car. It would have put all the force through my legs.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Electric vehicles often have much better safety credentials than their ICE powered counterparts for a few reasons: * All of the weight is in the bottom of the vehicle, giving a lower centre of gravity. I'd bet this will kill the old F150 in a moose (or child!) test. * The lack of engine means the entire front part of the car is a huge crumple zone. This gives designers more wriggle room for pedestrian protection too.…

I agree with the rest, but I'm pretty skeptical of this claim: > Switching our road transport to electric will probably save more children, and the adults they will become, from a lifetime of lung problems and premature death from pollution than better pedestrian safety features ever will. Do you (or anyone) have order-of-magnitude estimates for either/both of these figures? I mean, electrification in general is grea…

Hang out at a bus station or a school during kid pickup time, you'll feel like you're in a coal refinery. I can't imagine that's good for your lungs.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I think more worrisome is the center console - pedestrian deaths had been going down for 20 years until smartphones became widespread and we've had increases every year since.

With the introduction of smart phones and social media we've seen lots of negative effects increase. For example, teen suicide was decreasing until they were introduced and then started to increase again. Girls especially. I wish there was more discussion and acknowledgement of the dangers here.

You have a point, but I also think we should be thinking beyond smartphones and try to act on what they are used for.

Not in a "guns don't kill people way", but because I think smarphone helped spread society's worse effects on girls, but they were already in a very shitty position, and we can't just get back to the status quo before the smarphones and social networks.

We can of course also work on reducing sns negative impacts, but I think it will also be a bad, long and thorny way before seeing improvements.

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post #199
post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Electric vehicles often have much better safety credentials than their ICE powered counterparts for a few reasons: * All of the weight is in the bottom of the vehicle, giving a lower centre of gravity. I'd bet this will kill the old F150 in a moose (or child!) test. * The lack of engine means the entire front part of the car is a huge crumple zone. This gives designers more wriggle room for pedestrian protection too.…

I agree with the rest, but I'm pretty skeptical of this claim: > Switching our road transport to electric will probably save more children, and the adults they will become, from a lifetime of lung problems and premature death from pollution than better pedestrian safety features ever will. Do you (or anyone) have order-of-magnitude estimates for either/both of these figures? I mean, electrification in general is grea…

Here are some stats on fossil fuel deaths in general

https://youtu.be/Jzfpyo-q-RM?t=355

On average in the US, the CO2 output required to power an electric vehicle is 1/3 of an ICE vehicle. So theoretically this would translate to less deaths as bb123 suggests, but hard to compare to direct pedestrian deaths. (Yes there are some logical gaps as ICE C02 output is a very low percentage of total fossil fuel output).

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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post #185

Who wants a Cybertruck anyway :) I am all for F-150

i think they are different markets. cyber truck is for affluent city people who probably never had or wanted a truck before but like the design. f150 is more for normal people who actually just want a normal truck that’s electric

>f150 is more for normal people who actually just want a normal truck that’s electric

Why? Does the look of the truck make it more practical? The Cybertruck does not have any paint, and can sustain far more scratch/shock that the F150.

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post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It needn't have been this tall. With the internal combustion engine out, Ford could have designed a lower, more curved, less deadly front end. Instead, they kept the high nose and used the space as a trunk. After all, injuring fewer pedestrians sells no cars. Indeed, the market prefers an enormous, deliberately threatening-looking chariot that makes you feel big and virile. Ford are behind this game in that they have…

Roads are made for large dangerous machines that move fast and can hurt you.

Roads predate cars. Cars took them over from people and far slower horses.
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