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Re: YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?

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Post by wooger »

twobitshifter wrote: post #2

The battle between ad platforms and users is going to be never ending. For YouTube, the _right_ thing to do is to pay for the premium option which removes ads. Otherwise as difficult as it is to say, you are getting something for nothing and people do make a living from YouTube videos. Ok, maybe you can contribute to a patreon outside of YouTube, but you’re not going to do that for everyone and those videos are not s…

THen the right thing to do is not bundle that premium feature with other youtube music bullshit and inflate the price to 5x what it should be.

And also, stop user-hostile behaviour on iOS to block OS level features (PiP, background audio) from working, even if you pay up.

I would rather block ads and use Firefox exclusively than pay that much for a still-compromised experience.

Re: YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?

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Post by wooger »

manigandham wrote: post #204
marderfarker2 wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most YouTube creators offer side channel donations via Patreon. Prefer paying the value generator than the middle man.

Youtube provides the hosting and audience. That has value.

Maybe they should charge the uploader then

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Post by wooger »

marderfarker2 wrote: post #170
topicseed wrote: post #111

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Sure, it is all on YouTube/Google's fault if you decide to install an adblocker and not participate in the compensation of the creator who made the very video you are enjoying. Definitely not illegal to do so, so do as you please, but don't turn yourself into a white knight by some mental gymnastics with the sementics behind what a user agent is. You want to enjoy the video without ads, regardless of the consequences…

Most YouTube creators offer side channel donations via Patreon. Prefer paying the value generator than the middle man.

Well, a different middleman.

Re: YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?

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Post by wooger »

ziml77 wrote: post #32
twobitshifter wrote: post #2

The battle between ad platforms and users is going to be never ending. For YouTube, the _right_ thing to do is to pay for the premium option which removes ads. Otherwise as difficult as it is to say, you are getting something for nothing and people do make a living from YouTube videos. Ok, maybe you can contribute to a patreon outside of YouTube, but you’re not going to do that for everyone and those videos are not s…

I think even with YouTube taking a large cut, people should really consider Premium if they use it a lot. It means that there will actually be something to back up the claim people make that they would pay to not have sites serve them ads. Also Premium views are worth more to content creators than ad supported views, so it does help the people you love to watch. Not as much as through something like Patreon obviously…

Youtube premium in the UK is 11.99 GBP a month, and is bundled with youtube music service.

* I don't want a music subscription service, and I don't want to pay for it. * That price is the same as an actual full video streaming service like Netflix, but I get no new video content for my money. * Premium does remove the user-hostile block on background audio playback on iOS, but does not remove other user-hostile behaviour like blocking the iOS system wide Picture in picture from working.

I am extremely skeptical of the revenue sharing with creators that I like, and would rather give money to them in some direct way than trust google not to give my money to random music artists / their pockets.

The price is a joke, at least 4x what is reasonable. I shall continue using Firefox and uBlock Origin to get 100% of the features I want for free.

Re: YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?

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Post by wooger »

blibble wrote: post #180
SpelingBeeChamp wrote: post #155

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It's not clear to me what you are asking, but if your question has a definite answer and it relates to Youtube as a business, I can probably help answer. Youtube has been my full-time job for years. About Premium generally, if you can afford it and you are considering it, there is no reason to hesitate. I say that both as a channel owner and as someone who pays for Premium every month. You never see an AdSense ad aga…

the amount matters to me if the creators only get 1c/month from my premium and google get the lion's share I'll continue to block ads and support via patreon/merch instead

Agree, in the UK the service is overpriced (exchange rate?) and bundled with Youtube Music subscription service for an extremely unpalatable 1.99 GBP per month.

How much of that money is just paying for music licensing I don't want or need?

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Post by matheusmoreira »

ehsankia wrote: post #141
stemlord wrote: post #128

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If I'm gonna pay for a service it sure as shit isn't gonna be from a company with no customer support system

They have plenty customer support if you're a paying customer. Pay for Google One [0] for example and you get Customer Support for all Google services. [0] https://one.google.com/about/support

Google customer support is actually Hacker News. People post their problems here so that hopefully some Google insider will see it and deal with it.

Re: YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?

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Post by manigandham »

wooger wrote: post #242
manigandham wrote: post #204

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Youtube provides the hosting and audience. That has value.

Maybe they should charge the uploader then

Why would they when ads pay for it? Why would you not pay for premium if you don't want ads since you're consuming the video?

Re: YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?

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Post by manigandham »

wooger wrote: post #230
manigandham wrote: post #203

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There is Youtube Premium which is a flat fee: https://www.youtube.com/premium

A laughably high flat fee. In the UK, 11.99 GBP per month. For no new video content I want, no new features (they still block picture in picture on iOS app & web). They bundle the crappy youtube music service which I also don't want. It's a non-starter & overpriced by a factor of 5x.

It's not high at all, people just vastly undervalue content while spending much more on coffee and drinks without thinking.

There are Youtube originals but you're mainly paying for the delivery of content. Premium comes with a few extra features on mobile too.

Also you can use picture-in-picture on iphones/ipad by using the website. Play a video in fullscreen, tap to view the controls, then tap the PIP icon.

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Post by wooger »

benhurmarcel wrote: post #229
cpeterso wrote: post #74

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I watch YouTube on my TV and the ads are annoying enough that I actually looked into subscribing to YouTube Premium to make the ads go away (and better support the content creators I follow). But I'm not ready to pay YouTube $12/month just to make ads go away. I would probably pay $5/month. Netflix's basic plan only costs $9/month.

The price of Youtube Premium is high because it's bundled with a music subscription. That's a shame and is also the reason I don't subscribe.

Me too.

And the fact that even with premium, PiP on iOS is still deliberately broken on web & in their app.

Re: YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?

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Post by wooger »

luma wrote: post #132
cpeterso wrote: post #74

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I watch YouTube on my TV and the ads are annoying enough that I actually looked into subscribing to YouTube Premium to make the ads go away (and better support the content creators I follow). But I'm not ready to pay YouTube $12/month just to make ads go away. I would probably pay $5/month. Netflix's basic plan only costs $9/month.

YT Premium also includes YT music, and the creators you want to support get extra from Google when Premium users subscribe. For me, it’s worth the price and has almost entirely replaced TV for me (still need my F1 races...)

A totally unrelated service that you have to pay for ( and more expensive than rivals) is not a positive.
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