Honestly this just feels like karma. I'm banned from some rooms for being too eccentric and making too many waves with some of the things I say. Those people then proceed to ban me from other rooms. I don't violate TOS, I'm not(usually) a troll, but I am a free spirit who is eccentric and chooses to express contentious views that are not de rigueur acceptable among redditors and sensitive greybeards. The fact that, anonymously joining some such rooms on freenode, I notice those who were hostile to me looking to leave- I find that joyously karmatic. By all means, andrew should take the network in a new direction.
Leaving Freenode for a new network
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#243Welp, we had a good run, far longer than I expected.
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#244It seems inevitable that any Good company with great TOS with promises to never turn can be bought and changed towards evil. We've seen it time and time again. It's inevitable? How can we structure these organisations from creation so that this cannot happen? freenode believed the purchaser promises. What should they have done differently?
Be a worker-owned co-op from the get go so that one person can't just sell the whole thing. Or at least have a larger board be the legal representative and don't give the president or whomever the ability to sign contracts without other signoff. I don't know why or how this was possible with Freenode, but it's not hard to prevent.
(the internet suggests they may not have had the legal authority to sell off Freenode but taking it to court to prove that would be ruinously expensive for the volunteers; I don't know if this is actually the case or not though; maybe someone can provide them some pro-bono legal services since this network is such a core piece of infrastructure for so many OSS projects?)
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#245Apparently London Trust Media, the company founded by Andrew Lee and which purchased Freenode, has now rebranded under the name "Imperial Family Companies". londontrustmedia.com now redirects to https://imperialfamily.com/ and it lists Freenode under Technology. Andrew Lee also claims to be the crown prince of Korea, which was no doubt the inspiration for this move: https://www.latimes.com/business/real-estate/story/…
Any thoughts on these observations?
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#246What economic value does Freenode has?
None now that all of its team and channels will move to another network.
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#247Apparently London Trust Media, the company founded by Andrew Lee and which purchased Freenode, has now rebranded under the name "Imperial Family Companies". londontrustmedia.com now redirects to https://imperialfamily.com/ and it lists Freenode under Technology. Andrew Lee also claims to be the crown prince of Korea, which was no doubt the inspiration for this move: https://www.latimes.com/business/real-estate/story/…
londontrustmedia.com
I read that as "I on don't trust media" the first time.
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#248What economic value does Freenode has?
Network + personal info, I guess...? But a catch here is that most people in the network are proficient in technology, which makes it difficult to abuse them like how Facebook does to its users.
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#249I'm a little confused by all this controversy. I'm no stranger to people trying to exert secret influence in open-source projects, and put themselves in positions of power to satisfy egos, etc. and I certainly don't like that kind of thing.
But what was actually done on Freenode? I've read several of the volunteer resignations and it seems to just be that they're obviously now in control and people don't like that. Is there something more concrete they've done that points to a particular ulterior motive or the negative impact of their ownership? Am I just missing some historical baggage?
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#250What economic value does Freenode has?
None now that all of its team and channels will move to another network.
One of the benefits of old decentralized protocols: The community is not locked in and can move as nomads, so it can't be sold. At best they get an archive of stale information.