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I’ve had the same supper for 10 years

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Re: I’ve had the same supper for 10 years

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think eating the same thing every day is fine, though you need to make sure to have a balanced diet with good nutrition. The author mentioned his uncle who just ate bread, butter, and cheese for every meal, and I’m not sure how you can even survive off of that. Surely it’s lacking something important with no fruit or vegetables. I’ve heard that humans had a long period of time after we became sedentary and started…

> The author mentioned his uncle who just ate bread, butter, and cheese for every meal, and I’m not sure how you can even survive off of that. Surely it’s lacking something important with no fruit or vegetables. The only thing you're really missing there is dietary fiber, which -- being indigestible -- doesn't have nutritional value. However, it does interact with your intestines as it passes through them in a manner…

“Not even a question that should come up” is a pretty sour attitude to take in general, and I don’t even think you’re right.

Fiber does have a health impact as you say, and having good health is one of the main ways known to delay death. And what is survival but the delay of death?

My point is that by eating a larger variety of nutritious food, you are less likely to suffer from poor health due to a lack of something you need.

Re: I’ve had the same supper for 10 years

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Does it strike anyone else as oddly ironic that he is so sad that people don't go to the effort to hear the cuckoos, and yet he basically doesn't want to experience... well, pretty much everything. It's great he's happy with the life he has chosen. But I personally find people who are even slightly like that (i.e. closed off to new experiences) depressing to be around. My parents are kind of like that, and have been…

I find them a bit less depressing than people frantically trying to experience "new" things as an effort to quiet the constant agitation of their souls.

I think that people who achieve great things definitely have some kind of unrest inside them. "quiet the constant agitation of their souls" is a clear description of that. I like to call it "feeding the little monster inside you"

I'm not making a judgement call to what is better, being at peace where you are, or never be at peace and always wanting more.

It reminds me of when some interviewer asked Elon Musk: "How can people be more like you?", to which he answered "You don't want to be me... I'm not sure I want to be me".

My theory is that you have 2 things inside you: the individual and the DNA. The individual can be at peace, but it will be at the expense of the survival of the DNA. The DNA pushes you to be the best and find the best partner to reproduce. The DNA makes sure you are always at unrest and want to achieve more, get better, etc.

I think this story illustrates it well, because he is a peace even though he never married, and so will not give his DNA setup to a next generation.

Re: I’ve had the same supper for 10 years

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> I’ve never had Chinese, Indian, French food. Why change? I’ve already found the food I love. Jeeeeeeeeezus. That's some pathological parochialism right there. Try some new things, you might find some new things that you love that you didn't know you loved. You're rejecting Chinese food. You're rejecting Indian food. You're rejecting French food. And you're expecting anyone to take your opinion seriously? GTFO of to…

He's had 'several strokes.'

Who knows when his first stroke was? His sister's history of stroke as well could indicate that there is something more going on. He could have had multiple microinfarcts over the years leading to a mild form of vascular dementia with cognitive impairment or something.

He probably isn't holding the secrets of the universe in his noggin, but cut him some slack. I'd have tea with him. Sounds like a chill guy.

Re: I’ve had the same supper for 10 years

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think eating the same thing every day is fine, though you need to make sure to have a balanced diet with good nutrition. The author mentioned his uncle who just ate bread, butter, and cheese for every meal, and I’m not sure how you can even survive off of that. Surely it’s lacking something important with no fruit or vegetables. I’ve heard that humans had a long period of time after we became sedentary and started…

> The author mentioned his uncle who just ate bread, butter, and cheese for every meal, and I’m not sure how you can even survive off of that. Surely it’s lacking something important with no fruit or vegetables. The only thing you're really missing there is dietary fiber, which -- being indigestible -- doesn't have nutritional value. However, it does interact with your intestines as it passes through them in a manner…

You sound like this was a certain thing, whereas nutritional science is very complex.

Re: I’ve had the same supper for 10 years

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Trying to eat something different everyday is an American obsession that I'll never understand. It's just so stressful and inconvenient. I grew up in a small town where eating the same for dinner everyday was extremely common. Tea or coffee and bread. The only variable would be what you put in your bread. Some days it would be butter, some days it would jam. Some days it would be honey, some days it would be avocado.

I think eating the same thing every day is fine, though you need to make sure to have a balanced diet with good nutrition. The author mentioned his uncle who just ate bread, butter, and cheese for every meal, and I’m not sure how you can even survive off of that. Surely it’s lacking something important with no fruit or vegetables. I’ve heard that humans had a long period of time after we became sedentary and started…

> I’ve heard that humans had a long period of time after we became sedentary and started relying on agriculture that the average height decreased significantly, and it was only in recent centuries that it has gotten back to normal due to more varied nutrition. So even if you can technically survive on a very limited diet, it can still have negative effects.

It's not the variety of the diet but the quality of the food itself. Bread is good for energy, but if all you're eating is bread, you're not getting complete proteins, omega 3s, and other nutrients. It's fine, however, to eat nothing but meat and many societies did this for hundreds of thousands of years.

Farming is anything but sedentary, especially in the 19th century and prior. People's height was stunted because food was not abundant enough. Agricultural societies tended to grow faster than farming productivity could keep up with. A lot of people were simply malnourished and therefore never reached their natural height capacity.

But as you say, the hunter / gatherers such as the native Americans were taller on average than the first European settlers to arrive in America. This is not due to a particularly diverse diet. Most cultures subsisted on meat from hunting (largest source of nutrition) and a select few vegetables. The difference is that hunter / gatherer societies tended to self regulate their population according to available resources.

Re: I’ve had the same supper for 10 years

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post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it different, though? Can you do things that deeply without limiting the number of things you’re doing?

I believe there is probably a balance to be struck. I am from (near) Rome, and am familiar with the phenomenon of people visiting the city over a weekend, or even worse, on a day trip. That literally means you cannot experience the city, you can at most put some checkmarks on the 3 most popular sights. In a month you may spend a weekend in Paris, Madrid, Rome and London, but I believe it would be better to spend a fe…

Yeah, it's crazy. When I went to visit my cousins in Paris, I stayed for 19 days, and it was awesome. A friend said that 3 days was enough, and it would be nice to travel to a few other places too. Maybe enough for a quick glance at some tourist spots, but not to actually experience the city. I could have stayed for a whole month, or two, and would still be getting new experiences.

As you mention, there's a good balance, and maybe 20 days could have been spent in 2 cities. But a weekend is very shallow

Re: I’ve had the same supper for 10 years

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> I’ve never had Chinese, Indian, French food. Why change? I’ve already found the food I love. Jeeeeeeeeezus. That's some pathological parochialism right there. Try some new things, you might find some new things that you love that you didn't know you loved. You're rejecting Chinese food. You're rejecting Indian food. You're rejecting French food. And you're expecting anyone to take your opinion seriously? GTFO of to…

I think this is an incredibly poor take, and done with incredibly poor taste – pun not intended.

Experience is, broadly speaking, able to be considered as a spectrum with both vast breadth, and depth. I believe this holds true not only for external experiences, in this instance cuisine, but also for internal qualia and more compounded experiences.

It is, to my understanding, widely accepted that people are capable of living lives that can be vastly alien to what we might consider ‘consensus reality,’ or everyday life, more loosely. Look towards monks, yogis, and more briefly, psychonauts as examples of living beings with, presumably, internal lives vastly different to our own. Yet in those people we hear accounts of deep personal satisfaction, even euphoria, from no external source. Contentness, at a minimum, doesn’t demand a minimum breadth of experience, or any experience at all, as a prerequisite.

I’d go so far as to argue that the small-mindedness you’ve presumed of this man, may be an acute reflection of your own base assumptions about others.

It pays to be mindful that others lead lives as rich, meaningful, and subjective as your own, even if the set of experiences in question may vary vastly.

I see no good reason to not take this man on his word when he says he truly is satisfied with his life, particularly when he’s at a point where he can reflect back on it – something not afforded to those of us still living what we can only hope to be the bulk of our lives.

Everything I’ve written prior notwithstanding, let me ask: do you actively go out of your way to try every new experience possible to you, costs be damned? If you answer no, then you accept that there’s a radius you choose to set, within which you’re satisfied knowing that the experiences you’ve had thus far, and their costs, are in equilibrium, and that you’re content with not exceeding that boundary. Who are you to say that his ‘smaller’ radius of experience, ignoring the incredible amount of contemplative time afforded to this man, and what that may imply for his internal life experiences, is any less of a valid choice than yours is? Surely you’d then accept you very likely fall within a subset of a larger radius of possible experiences, of which there are people willing to explore past the boundaries you’ve set for yourself.

Ignorance may in fact be bliss, but I wouldn’t be so quick to assume this man is the ignorant party here.

Re: I’ve had the same supper for 10 years

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Happiness - he's found it.

Sure, he's an extreme and very few want to emulate it because there's a mild element of delusion. But, he's found the thing so many of us work our entire lives for only to never find.

Part of life is letting happiness find you, part of life is finding happiness, and part of life is pushing away things to find happiness in what you have.

I say, well done.

Re: I’ve had the same supper for 10 years

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My great-grandfather was traveling to USA for work back in 1912. He came back after 6 years and settled in his village becoming its head. Almost everybody in my family knows this story and it's indeed fascinating, because at that time people rarely moved anywhere. And now we are fascinated by a man living in the same place all his life. It's funny how the concept of norm changes in 100 years.

A man living in the same place all his life has no basis for comparison. I would be more convinced that your great-grandfather's village is something special since he experienced elsewhere yet still returned.

Don't most migrants have nostalgia for their country of origin? Where their roots are, no matter how much of a globetrotter they were. Sure, if the country you grew up in a beleaguered place, you wouldn't think of going back. But I've heard so many migrants say things along lines of: "oh, man, once I'm retired... ".

"Disclaimer": migrant myself. Not necessarily my dream to go back "once retired". But my wife yearns for her motherland. And so do many.

Re: I’ve had the same supper for 10 years

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I've found a lot of freedom in similar decisions. Not sure I could take it to the same level, but even just having a small set of meals to eat every week makes shopping, cooking and planning around expiry dates so much easier. Clothes can be similarly hacked such that everything goes together and every combination is something you are comfortable wearing, leaving you never needing to consider what to wear. I've optim…

I completely agree. I recommend decreasing your gadgets to just a phone (for when you go out) and a tablet or laptop for home. That is, no TV, no stereo, no games console. Assuming you live on your own, you can do all the same things you did before, just move your laptop screen to a comfortable distance. I suppose you could buy headphones if you also want loud audio, but personally I prefer to go out to a bar or nigh…

Sorry if you saw my original comment, I misread this as a dismissal through exaggeration, but after double checking my comprehension I realise I was both wrong and missing the fact that I can relate to most of this. I've tried many of the things you mention, and while I don't do all of those things still, many of them do make my life easier and more stress free. It's interesting how many of the things I've just stopped thinking about as I tried them and subsequently rid my conscious mind of other more time consuming or stressful options.

There are so many better things to spend time on than the mundane parts of life.

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