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A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #240
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is more or less the purpose of toll roads.

A dynamic toll can be used to reduce incentive to drive on the road at certain times. It's not feasible to make a 10 mile wide road due to congestion for 2 hours during the day. Solution? Increase the cost during those 2 hours such that fewer people choose to use the road during those hours. You can give poor people cash and they can decide if it's worth using that road during the times with higher congestion, but th…

Everyone already has to pay in time and frustration to use the roads when it is congested. Slapping a monetary fee on top gives priority to the wealthy. $10/day is a lot more when you make $12/hr. When you consider the flexibility afforded to well compensated white collar workers it becomes even less fair.

The drywaller has every right to sit in stop and go traffic with the investment banker.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #241
lotsofpulp wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A dynamic toll can be used to reduce incentive to drive on the road at certain times. It's not feasible to make a 10 mile wide road due to congestion for 2 hours during the day. Solution? Increase the cost during those 2 hours such that fewer people choose to use the road during those hours. You can give poor people cash and they can decide if it's worth using that road during the times with higher congestion, but th…

Everyone already has to pay in time and frustration to use the roads when it is congested. Slapping a monetary fee on top gives priority to the wealthy. $10/day is a lot more when you make $12/hr. When you consider the flexibility afforded to well compensated white collar workers it becomes even less fair. The drywaller has every right to sit in stop and go traffic with the investment banker.

Yes, and that’s a distribution of wealth problem. Making both the drywalled and banker sit in traffic doesn't solve it. The banker will take a helicopter. Or leave the office early.

Congested roads have externalities such as the congestion backing up into side streets, rubber banding the congestion along the rest of the road, and extra use of brakepads/fuel energy to stop and go.

Spending time in congestion also adversely affects lower paid people because the cost of their time spent in congestion is implicit. If it was made explicit via tolls, then employers would have to pay better to get them to their workplace at peak congestion times.

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Post by lazyasciiart »

kingsuper20 wrote: post #125
lazyasciiart wrote: post #93

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There's already a classic car exception from a lot of road rules, there's a special numberplate for them.

Those rules are radically different depending on state or country (dunno if non-US countries mess with automotive rules depending on region).

Yes, I mean in WA.

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kroltan wrote: post #176
silicon2401 wrote: post #140

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If I lived in the countryside (which I wouldn't mind) I would consider this, but otherwise I personally couldn't justify the risk. I forget where I read it, but the phrase "right of weight, not right of way" comes to mind. It's also why I love that my hometown allows riding bikes on sidewalks.

> It's also why I love that my hometown allows riding bikes on sidewalks. This would be a dream. I live in a reasonably deserted/seasonal neighbourhood, so it has a neat 2-lane divided avenue down the middle, but it is usually very empty (a car maybe every minute). This doesn't mean I can ride anywhere but the very edge of the asphalt, almost tripping my pedals on the sidewalk rise (I forget the word in English), sin…

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Post by brokenmachine »

twobitshifter wrote: post #70
1024core wrote: post #29

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Honda, Subaru, Tesla too.

Tesla may not work with this tool but they’re definitely beaming data home all the time. If your privacy Conscious I wouldn’t think Tesla spoiled be on your list.

Also if your Tesla crashes itself, Tesla will release only enough data to tarnish you, even if you weren't actually driving.

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Post by brokenmachine »

RyJones wrote: post #106

I included a sample of what Honda[0] records when you pay for Honda Navigation System. It spams your VIN every minute it’s on WiFi, though, regardless of trim level. [0]: https://gist.github.com/ryjones/73739f6a7e662b9ed9ba64d9141f...

Wow, that's a fair bit of data to send home for a "feature" that you don't even have.

        "TripDate": "",
        "FuelUsed": "",
        "StartPos": {
          "Lat": "",
          "ODO": "",
          "Time": "",
          "Lon": "",
          "Datum": ""
, and some scoring on your driving style.

This should be illegal.

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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Post by brokenmachine »

jmnicolas wrote: post #54

So do I have to ride horses to get my privacy back now? I would totally buy a brand new car without all the "visible" electronics (by visible I mean all the screens and doodads. I don't mind ABS and other "invisible" electronics as long as they are reliable which is not a given nowadays). I don't get the point of turning the interior of a car into a smartphone experience. I watched a YT video of a Mercedess class S r…

>So do I have to ride horses to get my privacy back now?

Yes, but only so long as you don't take your cellphone with you.

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Post by kwk1 »

userbinator wrote: post #92
tashoecraft wrote: post #75

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The problem with older cars, is that safety standards have improved dramatically in that time. So while you might have a "dumb" car that isn't spying on you, in the event of an crash, you are going to be much more likely to be injured. If I had to weigh being spied on with being injured, I'd guess the odds of being injured actually impacting my life negatively as greatly higher. I do miss my old Saab though...

"Those who give up freedom for security deserve neither," as the saying goes, and these recent years that saying has gotten quite a bit more meaningful, I think.

That's not the correct quote, you're missing two key modifiers. It's "essential liberty" for "temporary security"... which is not the case here.

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Post by ghostpepper »

Aerroon wrote: post #231
Loughla wrote: post #89

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Honestly, non-tactile buttons on a car seems ridiculous. You HAVE to look away from the road to do anything. Tactile buttons let you feel around to do things if you need to. That change has made zero sense to me.

Using a cellphone while driving is illegal? Let's just make the whole car a cellphone! Brilliant! It makes new wonder how these non-tactile buttons and entertainment systems are even legal to use while driving. And if you had to stop your car to adjust the radio then these touch screens would immediately disappear.

I swear I don't work for Mazda but their new cars actually have a feature that disables touch on the screen above 5km/h. You can still use the tactile buttons though.

It's actually not ideal because now the passenger can't use it either, but at least they've made an attempt to stop drivers interacting with the screen at high speeds.

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