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Re: History of Techno

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If you want to see quite the videos check these out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV8_eUJ6C1w [ Acid Mix Detroit Chicago - New Dance Show 1989 ] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz2wInkVkRU [ Techno Jam - New Dance Show 1989 ] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aUAqboAvQM [ City of Techno (Detroit) - New Dance Show 1991 ] Great examples of the racial diversity in the early scene in Detroit. I think this was some publ…

Yes, LATAM has the wildest contemporary techno scene after Europe. The US had next to no techno scene pre-pandemic, a party or two in NY or LA each weekend was it, now its dead.

Yeah they even have a hardtechno/schranz thing going on in Colombia and Venezuela, bit too turbo for me but still cool

Colombia had someone spinning that who was when she was still alive quite the amusement because she changed her name to ladyzunga cyborg and then... this

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/80/590x/Colombi...

RIP abcdefg hijklmn opqrst uvwxyz

Re: History of Techno

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If you want to see quite the videos check these out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV8_eUJ6C1w [ Acid Mix Detroit Chicago - New Dance Show 1989 ] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz2wInkVkRU [ Techno Jam - New Dance Show 1989 ] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aUAqboAvQM [ City of Techno (Detroit) - New Dance Show 1991 ] Great examples of the racial diversity in the early scene in Detroit. I think this was some publ…

It's bizarre and charming at the same time to hear music so similar to the colder, minimal kind of techno you'd expect to hear at a dark themed party in a shady club full of edgy young people, and see the happy, well dressed, colorful, smiling people in the video.

It's good vibin videos for sure, looked like a great time

Re: History of Techno

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Its easy to miss but descriptions of the different genres are the true mvp. Some of the saltiest things I have read, true hilarity. E.g `Eurotrance`: > "The rank repugnance of the self-fellating culture of DJ worship is at the forefront of this many-headed hydra of rapacious rot. Overbearing anthems, boring breakdowns, and tasteless DJ vanity have combined into one monstrous, obnoxious, pompous, unlistenable Babyloni…

He's, uh, not a fan of the Dutch.

It's absolutely delightful. You just know that when someone knowledgeable disses you with so much care and attention, there's some deep-seated love behind all that hatred.

We love you too Ishkur! <3 from Holland

Re: History of Techno

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Cool to see so much discussion about techno on here! I’ve been a huge dance music fan/nerd ever since I was a teenager and techno is my favourite genre, particularly the deeper and more hypnotic varieties. Check out Donato Dozzy’s 2008 Labyrinth set for an idea of what I mean, it blew my mind at the time (still does) and redefined my musical tastes quite a lot: https://soundcloud.com/user-602354628/sets/dozzy-labyrin…

Yeeeeeah dude. Anything in realm of Dozzy is awesome. Check out Wata Igarashi for a polished spacey sound. I also like the funky techno with detroit and hip hop vibes of the Zenker Brothers.

Best techno party ever is No Way Back during Movement in Detroit. Most likely featuring one of the above.

Of course I still like more semi-mainstream techno stuff, Ben Klock and Dettmann. And then even more mainstream, I love Prydz's polished big progressive and big tech sound.

Re: History of Techno

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I'm not holding onto laughably provincial notions of cosmogony- it is just strange to start a history of a subject several years after its development, and only make passing reference to its progenitors. Krautrock developed into electronic music, including Kraftwerk, who coined the term 'techno'

> I'm not holding onto laughably provincial notions of cosmogony > it is just strange to ... only make passing reference to its progenitors Which one is it? Electronic music didn't begin with Krautrock, it began with avant garde composers pushing limits. Messiaen, Ives, Varése, Cage; all of this in the late 19th century to early 20th century. Krautrock itself is deeply indebted to its own stylistic progenitors in Ame…

You're being a bit too clever. The term 'techno' is attributed to Kraftwerk who were hugely influential for all forms of electronic music after them. It is strange to only mention them briefly later on, and present it as the history of techno.

Re: History of Techno

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This is about as conventional a narrative as you can get. I've never been happy with it though, it's way too much of a tidy, linear, clean through-line. For instance, this narrative always leave out free-style and electro like Hashim (example: 1983, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykK0uEjSsqY ), Newcleus, etc. Soulsonic Force (1982: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHQ11l4uiM4 ) predated Atkins Cybotron project and At…

Great song picks. Absolutely agree. Hell, the article even largely omits the massive influence of house on techno in general, as most of these narratives seem to do. As a result, many people seem to think techno preceded house. But taking the view that Juan Atkins' early 80s work was basically electro and not yet really "techno", it's pretty clear that house was already quite prevalent prior to techno becoming a dist…

These are all nice and currently somewhat famous as much as tracks from that era go.

The question here, and most of this stems from the deephousepage reference elsewhere in this thread, is that in the actual 80s tape recordings (I've got an archive of most of them) from say WBMX or WBLS or any contemporary first hand accounts, I don't see these tracks playing prominently.

The more heavily played are things we may find less interesting today such as Pamala Stanley - Coming Out Of Hiding https://youtube.com/watch?v=M6G8dKgsEG0 ... catchy 80s pop, ok. You listen to the old recordings and this song comes up frequently. Also Bobby Orlando's dozen songs that all sound the same come up a lot (the flirts, divine, ronnie griffith, i spies) probably because their similarity in bpm and key made them versatile toys for the 80s dj.

Our perception of the past through the lens that the modern world "as a context" creates defines a narrative that we impose on the events.

I'm interested in I guess two things here. From simplest to hardest

1. What's the perceived reality of who heard/influenced what and why do we tell ourselves that

2. What's the actual reality and where's the evidence?

We have the mighty Memex machine at our fingertips and can immediately call up forgotten songs from far off lands with a few twitches of our fingertips. A Japanese synthesizer album from the 70s, a bollywood orchestration from the 60s and say a funk song from the Bronx in 1971, immediately recognize a through line and claim "aha, these are connected". But how would this fiction be possible in "before the internet" days? Records traveled, ok, Goa beach parties were real, sure. But I want to be careful in trying to remove my "person of the future" context in trying to understand the past

For instance, there's a bunch of Mexican knockoffs of italo disco tracks in the 80s and they could get away with it because Italy and Mexico are far away from each other.

I wrote an article about this 4 years ago, let me quote it:

The 1987 Mexico release Trebol ‎– TI - 71161, produced by J. Brenner of Mannequin, "Boom Bam" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqLt7SwaN90

is a nearly 100% knock-off of the 1986 Italian release SQ 87504, produced by Miki Chieregato and Roberto Turatti, of Paul Lekakis, "Boom Boom": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0ovsnO7Akg

So yeah, that's an example of the context warp.

Now given that, who actually heard and owned what and how it happened is tough. Famous people know how important origin stories are and so they tend to not be great self documentarians. It makes the whole thing tricky especially since not very many people take this as obsessively as I do so the records are continually destroyed and altered

Re: History of Techno

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> it's roots took place ... from the black community > origins from the black community gotta give credit to the engineers who pioneered electronic music synthesis, like Robert Moog, or the Japanese who created Korg synthesizers in the article. Influences for any technology, project, art, etc come from a large web of sources. Racial gatekeeping and attribution is close-minded. Let the people enjoy techno without guil…

Why guilt? The first stuff anyone started calling techno was pretty black. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhtdRd9AuIs And that's OK, there's literally nothing wrong with this. I think there's also a lot of stuff to be said about how there's anecdotes about how the early rave scene had a lot of previously unheard of racial unity going on, stuff like skinhead and rasta gangs or even rival football ultras encountering…

> Why guilt?

GP made it seem like whites being a big part of current techno scene is bad.

> The first stuff anyone started calling techno was pretty black

you could say the first stuff anyone started calling electronic music was pretty white. point is, racial attribution for something that has a huge array of influences is silly.

> unheard of racial unity going on

yes, the way it should be.

Re: History of Techno

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Histories of techno always leave out some of my favorites from the early 2000s Adam Beyer / Drumcode era of fast maximalist techno—Zenit records for instance https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPN0gicPJTTUJVhVMzCne... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOfuXwU6GoQ And I was surprised they mentioned Surgeon and Regis, but not their Downwards Records https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBilbhSIIhgKbRezA7RoO...

It's funny because I guess I'm old but that kind of stuff feels sort of like the "end of the road" for techno and not part of the history, more of the end of the history. I liked some of it at the time -- I have some of the Code Red Adam Beyer stuff on coloured red vinyl somewhere -- but it's a bit soul-less and monolithic. A very white middle class European straightlaced "thump thump thump" interpretation of the gen…

I totally agree for 90, even 99% of the tracks from that era, but there are some serious gems in there. I really enjoy the Youtube account "TECHNO" for finding some of it. A few producers that stood out to me: Kobaya, Rino Cerrone, Samuel L. Session, Leandro Gamez, G-Force, Tomie Nevada, Headroom, Gaetano Parisio, Damon Wild & Echoplex (slightly difference scene), Ade Fenton ... and many others less famous and with fewer releases.

Adam Beyer's tracks himself and most of the stuff on Drumcode from any era though is totally boring, I agree. And we can also agree the Neil Landstrumm and Cristian Vogel (I'd argue early Villalobos too) are the height of the end of techno history.

Quite possibly I just like this stuff because it reminds me of video game soundtracks from the era.

Re: History of Techno

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Cool to see so much discussion about techno on here! I’ve been a huge dance music fan/nerd ever since I was a teenager and techno is my favourite genre, particularly the deeper and more hypnotic varieties. Check out Donato Dozzy’s 2008 Labyrinth set for an idea of what I mean, it blew my mind at the time (still does) and redefined my musical tastes quite a lot: https://soundcloud.com/user-602354628/sets/dozzy-labyrin…

i've been listening to dozzy's "plays bee mask" constantly for the last two weeks. really excellent ambient/synth/drone/whatever

Re: History of Techno

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Cool to see so much discussion about techno on here! I’ve been a huge dance music fan/nerd ever since I was a teenager and techno is my favourite genre, particularly the deeper and more hypnotic varieties. Check out Donato Dozzy’s 2008 Labyrinth set for an idea of what I mean, it blew my mind at the time (still does) and redefined my musical tastes quite a lot: https://soundcloud.com/user-602354628/sets/dozzy-labyrin…

Yeeeeeah dude. Anything in realm of Dozzy is awesome. Check out Wata Igarashi for a polished spacey sound. I also like the funky techno with detroit and hip hop vibes of the Zenker Brothers. Best techno party ever is No Way Back during Movement in Detroit. Most likely featuring one of the above. Of course I still like more semi-mainstream techno stuff, Ben Klock and Dettmann. And then even more mainstream, I love Pry…

Ah yeah big fan of Wata. His remix of Blachington Mill is one of my fave tracks for several years, his “infinite arpeggio” thing is so unique: https://open.spotify.com/track/5MsKTeSpd6Lehr899HOjdN?si=fu4...

Also check this wicked set he did recently in Japan, amazing music and really nice visuals cut to Japanese nature: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tUva4XDGBm4

I’m in London so never had the chance to check out the US techno scene, have been to some great nights in the U.K. and Berlin though. Getting a bit old for regular clubbing now but I’ll still go out for the odd special night. I saw No Way Out have a cool looking live stream coming up actually!

And yea, Dettmann, Klock etc are great at what they do, would happily dance to them. And I was really into Pryda in 2007/8 kind of time so I’m with you there too!

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