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The USPS is running a 'covert' program to monitor Americans' social media posts

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Wait till you hear about privately-owned company and railroad police departments...

Do these private police have more authority than the private security hired by other businesses?

Yes, although I don't know if all states have them. In NC they are called Company Police which are considered Special Police Officers commissioned by the Attorney General. It started in the 1800s with the textile mills and company towns. They may only exercise jurisdiction on their employers property, or they may be employees of a security company that is hired and granted jurisdiction by other businesses. Most companies that do it have both security (Private Protective Services) and police (Company Police) services available. The only authority they have outside real property owned by their employer/client is when in hot pursuit.

Private universities, same as public, may have Campus Police instead of Company Police, and those officers also have jurisdiction on public ways passing through the campus. In some cases they also have one mile extraterritorial jurisdiction; moreover, they can receive broader jurisdiction through agreements with the city/county law enforcement.

Railroad police are to be certified in their home state and have nationwide jurisdiction by federal law, on the property and rights-of-way of their employer as well as in connection with its services (conceivably quite a wide scope as railroads run right through virtually all major cities--the CPD "bait truck" incident that cause controversy a few years ago involved NSRR Police). With the exception of Amtrak, these are all private companies.

I'm not sure to what extend qualified immunity does or does not apply to them, however.

PA definitely has something like this too.. just like in NC, it originated from company towns, in their case mining.

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Funny thing is, it works in pretty much any other western country. Now speaking about Germany there's essentially two police arms. The state police and the federal police. I don't see why every government department needs a police. Yes there are specific crimes that you might want to investigate, but you don't have to have police for that. Look for example to IRS they can have investigators, but they don't need polic…

In the Netherlands, we have national police, local police, military police, railroad police, forest police, border police, and so on. They are all fairly independent of each other and have separate jurisdictions.

The Dutch railroad police (as well as the water, traffic, and aviation police) was sadly disbanded in 2013 [1]. In the same year, all 25 local police forces were disbanded and replaced by one national police force [2].

[1] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dienst_Spoorwegpolitie#Opgehev...

[2] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politie_in_Nederland#Vorming_v...

Re: The USPS is running a 'covert' program to monitor Americans' social media posts

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This is a tough issue for a government. We do have crazies out there and we do need to investigate potential dangerous groups and individuals and reel them in before they do something crazy. On my FB feed I have seen friends and friends of friends call for armed revolt many times over the past few years. Most all of them are blowing steam and many are in their 60s or older and couldn't run a block in gym shorts, and…

It doesn't need to be monitored. It needs to be deescalated. The left wants to believe its blameless, but there's a massive portion of America that, per their believe foundation, disagrees with the policies they are putting in place. We live in a Democracy; the only "right" way forward is the one we all agree with, and we can't agree on anything right now. I don't know how to deescalate it, but its beginning to feel…

>> It doesn't need to be monitored. It needs to be deescalated.

I used "monitored" as verb to point out we need to be aware of who is plotting extreme violent events like the one Timothy McVeigh planned and executed and prevent them whenever possible in order to deescalate a trend towards others carrying out similar events.

"Q" is a thing, and we've seen quite a few citizens fall for it. That's a problem that any government could come up against and it is the government's duty to protect it's citizens.

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You don't even have to say bombs, the article lists a great example. They are tracking protests. I think I would like to be aware if where I normally deliver mail I'm walking into a protest that might get violent.

If I turn the corner on my mail route and see an angry mob down the block, I turn around? It's not like people don't have eyes anymore.

Or you can look to see that it is scheduled for the afternoon so you deliver in the morning.

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Pretty much any federal agency you have heard of has an investigative dept that employs federal special agents. These are law enforcement roles with the same training, authority, and responsibilities as investigative agents in the FBI, etc. They were created to meet the specific law enforcement needs of each agency. Dept of Education agents investigate misuse of Dept of Education funds, for example. The Postal Inspec…

USPIS is actually the oldest federal law enforcement service.

That said, its present utilisation seems to specifically address cases in which other agencies, both outward-facing (CIA, NSA) and inward (FBI) are limited.

The USPIS's investigation, case, and conviction rations are quite impressive. Relatively low counts of cases, I believe, but conviction rates are extraordinarly high (~90% or so).

Documented in the FY2019 USPIS annual report: https://www.uspis.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/FY-2019-ann...

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the 19th century was also the time when the USPS was not having net losses of $9.2 billion per year.[1] How about having the FBI monitoring the security instead and them notifying USPS. [1] https://about.usps.com/newsroom/national-releases/2020/1113-... .

Do you think all public services ought to be profitable? Or can we entertain the thought that our taxes help offset costs of (or directly fund) critical public services? As an aside, I genuinely dislike seeing misinformation from the Trump/Russia era on HN.

How about not having ad hominem attacks on HN? Your dislike to seeing certain information on HN doesn't add any value to the conversation. Especially when it presumes - without evidence - that the parent comment surely has some partisan mental bias just like you yourself have.

And to your actual answer. I do believe public funds can go to fund government enterprises. Just not when any comparative private enterprise seems to figure out how to be profitable.

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Pretty much every western country. Sweden, France, Germany to give three examples.

Germany has a federal police force, mostly tasked with border protection and transport security, and 16 state-level police forces.

Funny to note that cops in Bavaria drove BMW's and the ones in Lower Saxony drove VW's.

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Right, so countries the size of a single US state.

The US divides it's police by town, not by state. And France and Germany are each twice as populous as the most populous US state. So you're not really correct. There's absolutely no reason why having a single bureaucracy wouldn't work well. It actually seems like it would be much easier to have a single bureaucracy.

Sheriffs and State Troopers ???.

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Out of curiosity. Why do you think that people disliking and even hating their government is necessarily a bad thing? Or is it only expressing that feeling that you have a problem with?

I think it's obviously a bad thing when they express their hate by murdering random and innocent victims. When and wherever that line is crossed it is a bad thing. There are no exceptions to that.

Alright, so to take the most obvious example, and one that might not be adjacent to the one we are talking about but is still useful, the rebellion of the 13 colonies in the late 1700s included people being killed. Not just military. Regular people died. Was that rebellion wrong?

Also bear in mind that nobody was killed by anyone at the capital except for a participant, by a police officer. Also, you didn't answer either of my questions.

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