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Re: India’s second wave

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Post by supernovae »

KorematsuFred wrote: post #232
fareesh wrote: post #216

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Democracy is the system of elected representatives. You can elect a government that is completely opposed to welfare programs. India has some of the hardest working people in the world, and it's a shame the way many have been treated by government programs. Government handouts have created a culture in which many of the poor are at the mercy of corrupt bureaucrats just to get by. "What's that you say? Your rice allot…

I was born poor. One american idea that does resonate with me after coming to USA is that a lot of poor people do not see themselves as poor. While their struggles are real they do not see themselves as losers but rather see themselves as strugglers who will eventually make it some day. They make life better for themselves and others. That was the case with my family. We lived in a house whose floor was basically pai…

There is a HUGE difference in accepting a dole because you're shut down for the survival of your species and can't work vs how you see yourself functioning in a society where you can work.

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Post by majoram »

ryandrake wrote: post #172
Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #81

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The virus may spread in whatever way it does, but what public-health measures are to be used to respond to it, have to have some kind of mandate from the population. Already in several countries the authorities have chosen not to impose tighter restrictions on gatherings because the population has shown that it would flaunt them. In that case, public-health officials have to change their messaging to e.g. encouraging…

If only there were some way to punish people who violate government mandated measures. Like, I don't know, maybe we could dress some people up with a uniform and badge, and give them the authority to stop violators and "fine" or "incarcerate" them. Some kind of "justice system" or something. I don't know, this is a new invention I'm coming up with on the fly. We had this problem in the USA, too. All these "mandates"…

That's a horrible idea in today's social/political climate. Just try visualizing a police officer trying to arrest a black person for not wearing a mask. Or police being sent to gatherings in black neighborhoods. Sorry but I'd rather have more covid deaths than more riots and possibly a race war in my country.

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Post by dang »

iamAtom wrote: post #130

Why would you post an article behind pay wall ?

If there's a workaround, it's ok. Users usually post workarounds in the thread.

This is in the FAQ at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html and there's more explanation here:

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178989

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Post by dang »

corty wrote: post #2

Paywall.

If there's a workaround, it's ok. Users usually post workarounds in the thread.

This is in the FAQ at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html and there's more explanation here:

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178989

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Post by supernovae »

f00zz wrote: post #223
supernovae wrote: post #193

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On what premise? This kind of talk presumes economies and governments don't serve the will of the people. I mean, lets be real, if they don't serve the will of the people then the economy and government is short term and lockdowns were never the problem, but a symptom...

Not every country has the privilege of having the world's reserve currency. Money printing never ends well for poor countries.

In a democracy, This isn't a privilege, its the will of the people.

Why frame it as money printing? Does everything that can help people have to be pejorative?

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by supernovae »

KorematsuFred wrote: post #209
supernovae wrote: post #157

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What I don't get is why we call ourselves democracies and speak as "lockdowns hurt poor people very badly" In a representative democracy, you wouldn't lock down and force people to starve - you would lock down and provide income/food/capabilities for people to live regardless of their social/economic status. locking down isn't why poor people hurt, locking down and doing nothing to feed them does. It's like this pand…

> you would lock down and provide income/food/capabilities for people to live regardless of their social/economic status. You are mistaking democracy with other virtues. income/food/capabilities do not come from thin air, it is eventually generated by people and under lockdowns when most economy is at a standstill this is incredibly difficult. So even the "redistribution" does not work that well. India is also a far…

This to me just reads as excuses based on how it is, not how it could have been.

Learned helplessness is what they call it.

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by dang »

thecleaner wrote: post #45
throwaway4good wrote: post #7

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How reliable are the numbers coming out of India? Test positivity rates of 15% would suggest under-reporting / under-testing.

What are you talking about ? A random sample with positivity rate of 20percent would indicate one in 5 has covid. Why are you posting such conspiratorial comments with a throwaway account ?

Would you please stop posting in the flamewar style to HN? You've been doing it repeatedly and we ban such accounts.

Please don't attack fellow users and please omit swipes like "What are you talking about" from your comments here. If another comment is wrong, it suffices to reply with accurate information. Actually it's much more credible that way. If you toss in gratuitous swipes, you discredit the accurate information you're (by hypothesis) adding, which is bad for the truth.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by dang »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #18
rataata_jr wrote: post #5

Not leading to deaths, but just increasing case numbers, that is good news.

It's ignorant to maintain the position not dying from it is enough to not give a shit about it. It's still a crippling disease that can cause organ scarring and long-term illness, and letting it run free provides it with a breeding ground to provide new variants. I mean the past year and a half have been a real life version of Plague Inc; the 'contagion' marker and mutations have been played with so far, the 'deadlin…

"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."

"When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. 'That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3' can be shortened to '1 + 1 is 2, not 3.'"

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by snambi »

dtech wrote: post #69
collyw wrote: post #55

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Still a small fraction of what Europe has experienced. https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...

There are serious indications that India is under-reporting death count by a factor of 5-50x. Despite showing 5-10x lower death rate in your source, it was rare for European crematoriums have backlogs like in India [1] [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/india/non-stop-cremations-cast...

There is no reason to under report, because the government provides funds for everything. They may over report it, rather than under report it.
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