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Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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I can't be the only one who thinks this is bullshit, right? The scenario described in the article isn't a dilemma unless the gender of the CEO is part of your reason. If it's not, you will have some rational explanation and should be able to point to your history of not being a sexist asshole.

I'm really curious if the purported consequences of an accusation of sexism are so harmful for these wealthy investors. For example, Ellen Pao filed a lawsuit against Kleiner Perkins and wrote a whole book about sexist behavior she experienced while working there. That got a ton of publicity - what has the long-term impact been? Kleiner Perkins seems to be doing fine. I'm not saying investors don't perceive a risk here - many people are concerned about their reputation, but this idea that someone's career would be ruined doesn't appear to square with reality.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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I wrote a long reply to this and then binned it. Perhaps that captures the essence of what I was going to say.

There are quite a few throwaways in this thread. First they came...

Tired ideological tropes are flamebait. Please don't do that here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only solution to cancel culture is to cancel those out of your life who would cancel you. I would be doing the same thing if I was in your shoes. On the bright side, this is hopefully a healthy opportunity for us all to find some friends outside of work.

That's like fighting for freedom of speech forbidding those who are against it to speak.

The important question today is what we would have done if Joseph McCarthy had been right. If (in some bizarre parallel universe) he was somehow right about Communists doing...Communist things and we all definitely agreed on this, would we have applauded his tactics?

The cancel culture crowd today seem to think yes. They look to him as an idol and see his only flaw as his unjust cause.

I don’t think I agree. Extrajudiciality should be shunned in all its forms even if it leads to bad people meeting bad ends.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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> I don't have a better word readily available than sexism for trying to talk about patterns like this but when I use the word sexism I appreciate the effort to think of a better word than sexism. My question is, is this even sexism at all? How many men can get publicly denounced as “sexists” and have their life ruined because they didn’t speak carefully enough, before it is simply just “smart” rather than “sexist” t…

>>My question is, is this even sexism at all?

There is a danger of getting overly semantic, but also a danger of ignoring the importance of semantics to perspective here. Sexism as opposed to sexists. Sexism, using the term as the the GP does, is how they behave towards or speak to her. That's what sexism is regardless of why it is. It affects her or the workplace the same way whether it is because of "exclusionary assholes" or unintended chilling effects.

Gravity in a box is equivalent to acceleration.

That said, you have a point too. From your (me also) perspective, there's a snookered conclusion to this story. Inasmuch as Twitter mobs are scary, some people are opting out of joining the girls for a drink.. sometimes advisably.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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I’m a white cis male, and I work as a software engineer at a Silicon Valley unicorn. My employer is a perennial darling of the HN crowd, and is likely to continue its rocket ride in the years to come.

I’ll be completely candid here: I have some kind of problem with women. This isn’t to say that I don’t like women or don’t want women to succeed. I just don’t want to associate with or be seen around women. I’m sure there’s some kind of deep reason for this, but I haven’t exactly been looking for it.

On the other hand, I’m a huge believer in the “live and let live” principle. I found a good way of reconciling these two sides of my personality. Whenever I’m thrust into a situation in which I must interact with women, I gracefully extricate myself from it.

I’m very sneaky about this too. Sometimes my departure can be performed swiftly, but other times I must maneuver over a period of days or weeks to get myself away from an unpleasant situation. I’m never overt about it, I never hurt anyone in the process, and I’m pretty confident that no one has any idea that I’m like this.

In the past I’ve had to abandon projects I was working on, and even ditched maintainership of a popular open source project because a female coworker started contributing to it. Given that I’ve been doing this for a couple of decades, I’m willing to say that I’d do more or less anything to get away from women, as long as no one gets hurt. Yes, it might take a while, and I might need to make some sacrifices, but I’ll eventually get away.

Of course this started way before Twitter mobs and cancel culture became a thing, so I can’t claim prescience. But I do permit myself a little smugness at this point in time. I think I’m pretty much cancel-proof.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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I also work in a very “woke culture.” In fact, as a straight, white, cis man I am in the extreme minority. I have been told that I can’t do my job which includes negotiating with LGBTQ+ companies because I am an “old, white, cis guy and there is always an unfair power dynamic there” just because of my identity. It is discrimination plain and simple, but I literally stand to have my career derailed if I fight back. On…

Interesting pivot from identity politics to "opinions they don't like." One is discrimination, the other is business as usual. I wouldn't conflate the two.
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