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Re: Docker Raises $23M

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I think that's Jerry Yang.

facepalm You are correct, I will update. That's what I get for trying to remember names from 12 years ago.

loll i was like "oh no what did Andrew Yang do"... as an asian and non american i was a casual fan of his but kinda knew he had no chance in the primaries. still.. maybe someday.. he's young

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Very few people who suggest using kubernetes are suggesting using kubespray or kubeadm. 99% of companies will want to just pay for a managed kubernetes cluster which, for all intents and purposes, is basically AWS ECS with more features and less vendor lockin. It should be also known that all "run your code on machines" platforms (like ECS) have similar issues. I remember using ECS pre-fargate and dealing with a lot…

So 1/4 to 3/4 of a million per year in salary. Plus disrupting all the developers. So far every large scale implementation i have seen has cost the developers a year in productivity.

Hi. I run my production 7 figure ARR SaaS platform on google hosted k8s. I spend under 10 minutes a week on kubernetes. Basically give it an hour every few months. Otherwise it is just a super awesome super stable way for me to run a bunch of bin-packed docker images. I think it’s saved me tons of time and money over lambda or ECS.

It’s not F500 scale, but it’s over 100 CPU scale. Confident I have a ton of room to scale this.

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Does the Docker company even do anything to stay relevant? * The popularized containers but their core tool has been replaced by superior alternatives like Podman. * They sold their enterprise registry which wouldve earned them actual money. * The consumer registry has tons of free/cheaper alternatives like github's container registry, something from gitlab and on the enterprise side, there is Red Hat's quay. * Docke…

I think podman is a good start, but not there yet. Give it a year or two.

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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I'd pay for a pro version of macOS Docker Desktop that didn't peg the CPU at ~30% with no activity in the containers :)

I think that's because macos has to run a VM to support docker.

I figured apple would latch onto docker and get it running natively, but nobody over there thinks outside the apple ecosystem. It's all like the jackling house

Wouldn't it be cool to say:

  FROM macos:10.13.4
  RUN xcode-build ...

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Containers aren't virtual machines.

In the macos case, they actually are. docker runs in a vm on macos. Actually, I believe one text file is the docker killer feature.

Nowhere in what makes a proper container does a VM come into play, unless we are speaking about Docker and the idea of shipping a full blown OS in a zip, to work across heterogeneous hardware.

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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The difference being that Google has deprecated the shimming to Docker they had been doing with the “Docker” runtime to access containerd, so now it will go straight to the source by default. Red Hat OpenShift also switched from using Docker as its runtime with OpenShift 4 in 2019, though it was in favor of CRI-O rather than containerd.

All accurate. My point is that Kub deprecating the shimming does not affect Docker’s popularly or market share either way. The existence of the shim was an implementation detail and Docker themselves have been encouraging the switch to containerd. They clearly want the Docker brand to be attached to developer-facing tools instead of a hidden piece of increasingly commoditized infrastructure. If a critical mass of kub…

Yes, and I did not mean to diminish that context, more so expand upon the "k8s not using Docker" side of things from the parent you were responding to.

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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It feels like Docker (Inc) is becoming less and less "relevant" for each year that passes. At least from my perspective, they led the popularisation of containerisation and the whole cattle-not-pets approach of deploying apps. They created big and long lasting change in the industry. But they seem to have lost the production environment race to Kubernetes, at least for now. They are the biggest player in the dev-mach…

Is there any profit to be gained from knowing which repositories are the most active? Which get downloaded the most? I mean... you'd think there would be some "market research" type of thing that could be sold, but now that I think about it more, I'm not sure. I assume most of the repositories are either OSS that are pulled a ton, or are pulled by an individual or small team. I'm not sure what the business opportunit…

There's definitely this, but it's more of a thing that I'd expect Deloitte or a consultancy to want. There's a huge amount of traction here: undiscovered gems, trends in adoption of new technology, etc.

There's also a lot of things they aren't tapping. Just from a security POV alone, a "dependabot for Docker" would probably do a lot for the ecosystem, but hasn't yet happened.

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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I've been waiting for two features from Docker: 1. Launch a container by specifying its image digest, not image ID [0] [1]. You can pull an image with a specific digest, but then it gets an ID that is unique to the image repository. Later deployments must use that different image ID. This makes deployment tooling needlessly complicated. And it breaks the security guarantees of the digest by allowing the repository to…

Heh, regarding your:

> 2. Copy a file into a container with docker-compose, without requiring Swarm

I'm not quite sure I see why you can't get by with "docker cp" and need compose to resolve the container.

But I also were unaware of the Docker sub commands "cp" and "commit".

I think I prefer building containers and mounting config - but I see how the two could be abused, focusing on images rather than Dockerfile-s (and woe to the person that looses the carefully evolved Debian old-stable based base image that runs a mix of outdated oldstable packages and a few bits from current stable from two years ago when they were in testing, along with a custom build of node 13 and an outdated driver for a proprietary database...).

Not sure I believe it's a good idea, but now I know it's possible.

https://thenewstack.io/container-basics-how-to-commit-change...

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Using k8s to deploy is easy, setting up a cluster with the 'new' admin command is also straightforward... Doing maintenance on the cluster isn't. Debugging routing issues with it isn't either, configuring a production worthy routing to begin with isn't easy either. it's only quick if you deploy weave-net and call it a day. I would strongly discourage anyone using k8s in production unless it's hosted or you have a ful…

Very few people who suggest using kubernetes are suggesting using kubespray or kubeadm. 99% of companies will want to just pay for a managed kubernetes cluster which, for all intents and purposes, is basically AWS ECS with more features and less vendor lockin. It should be also known that all "run your code on machines" platforms (like ECS) have similar issues. I remember using ECS pre-fargate and dealing with a lot…

I'm a Kubernetes consultant for Fortune 500 companies. Everything you've said is correct.

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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> Docker was estimated to be valued at over $1 billion, making it what is called a "unicorn company", after a $95 million fundraising round in April 2015. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docker,_Inc .

The fact that they had a $95 million round in 2015 and then a $23 million round in 2021 leads me to believe their valuation is a lot lower now.

It all depends on what they got for the money. I have no idea what it's valuation is based on these numbers, but if $95M bought 15% and $23M bought about 3.5% then the valuation is about the same.

I'd expect the valuation to be lower also, but that's based on their revenue prospects, not their the $ amount of investments.

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