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Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by rglullis »

NathanielK wrote: post #239
rglullis wrote: post #198

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> If you don't understand the platform and chipsets, use a picker service Like I actually did, I have been doing since I can't even remember to build previous workstations, NAS, the dappnode under my desk, and my home server that runs the services I self-host? - Ryzen upgrade: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/Dxx2nL - Intel upgrade: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/rP8jCz Looking around now, it seems that MSI X570 is…

>Not to mention that the 10900 has a 65W TDP vs 105W for the Ryzens. TDP is lie these days .The 65W intel chips will use over 200W in most motherboards.[1] The 10 core you're using will use even more. The 5900X would use 130W max. Watch your temps, your passive thermal solution may not be up to the task and your CPUs may be throttling or dying prematurely. [1] https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16343/120661.png

Now that is a comment that brings a productive discussion. Thank you. :)

I was indeed weary of keeping only the fanless cooler, so I ended up installing the stock one. Coupled with the fact that it is a big case and it has a lot of fans, I assume that would be enough.

Anyway, what you are saying about the misleading TDP is interesting. Perhaps I will get a 3900X or a 5800X system and if it works out I will return the Intel.

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Post by chris11 »

lrem wrote: post #181
jpgvm wrote: post #9

RIP Intel... They need their new process node and whatever new architecture they have in the pipe to land -soon-. Looks like my 9900k might be the last Intel processor I buy for a long time unless things drastically change.

TBF, I still haven't seen enough to convince me to upgrade my desktop from 4690K (which got an RTX2080 in the meantime). Standing plan is to wait for RTX4090 or AMD's equivalent and change the whole box then.

I still have a 4770k. I have a newer gpu, and it seems to be working ok for me. I'm planning on upgrading in 2022 when DDR5 is available.

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Post by [deleted] »

lukevp wrote: post #120
nightski wrote: post #117

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Yet they are still the king of single threaded performance (barely). I'm not so quick to rule out Intel, even if I have no love for them. While the M1 was extremely impressive from a power efficiency standpoint, I think the jury is far from out on whether Apple will be able to take those gains and scale them to serious computers.

Where are you getting that they’re the king of single thread? That was true (barely) last gen of AMD, and is not true anymore. AMD is better at single and multi core as well as power efficiency. From the article: > Our results clearly show that Intel’s performance, while substantial, still trails its main competitor, AMD. In a core-for-core comparison, Intel is slightly slower and a lot more inefficient.

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Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by LegitShady »

rowanG077 wrote: post #229
rubyist5eva wrote: post #215

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Licensing people for reading a newspaper? That is insane.

I would mandate that you would have to take it until you pass (Excluding extreme cases). But of course you cannot ban people from reading something.

Honestly everything you say sounds like abusive insanity and not anywhere I'd want to live. I hope you don't make any decisions for other people in any capacity ever because you lack fundamental respect for other people's choices.

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Post by Sholmesy »

esperent wrote: post #160
p1mrx wrote: post #149

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Given the choice, why would anyone ever want RAM that can flip bits undetected? It's basically a design flaw.

ECC RAM is more expensive - from a very quick search looks like 16gb ddr4 2666mhz would be about 30% higher price for ECC. I've used non-ECC RAM for my entire life so far and bit flipping has never caused an obvious error for me, so if I'm going to pay more for ECC RAM I'd need a good reason to do so.

I think the problem with the bitflipping errors, is that you don't necessarily know that they've happened.

They are demonstrably broken though, and I agree it should be ECC everywhere

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Post by M277 »

cronix wrote: post #237
guardiangod wrote: post #157

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Exactly. In 2020 the 10400f was about 40% more expensive; now Intel is forced to lower the price of their entire lineup to compete against AMD. These days, at most performance tiers, Intel+mobo combo are slightly cheaper than AMD's equivalent. Of course, Intel's CPUs have less PCIE lanes, no ECC support, lessor upgrade path, generates more heat, etc. Finally my old desktop was Intel and I am working on a lot of kerne…

> These days, at most performance tiers, Intel+mobo combo are slightly cheaper than AMD's equivalent. > Of course, Intel's CPUs have [...] lessor upgrade path One big + for AMD is their socket system, and keeping it the same for multiple generations via a roadmap so people can plan. Contrast that with intel, who comes up with a new socket every generation forcing you to buy a new motherboard and likely new ram if you…

Just a small correction, most of the AM4 motherboards released in 2016 and 2017 do _not_ run Zen 3. Only few vendors (I think ASRock is the only one?) added support for Zen 3 on B350 / X370 / A320. The rest only added support on B450 (2018) / X470 (2018) / B550 / X570 / A520. If you were one of the original Zen buyers in 2017, you are unfortunately limited to Zen 2 CPUs, unless if you had an ASRock motherboard.

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Post by rowanG077 »

LegitShady wrote: post #244
rowanG077 wrote: post #229

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I would mandate that you would have to take it until you pass (Excluding extreme cases). But of course you cannot ban people from reading something.

Honestly everything you say sounds like abusive insanity and not anywhere I'd want to live. I hope you don't make any decisions for other people in any capacity ever because you lack fundamental respect for other people's choices.

Having to pass a test so you can function in society is not taking away any choices. What choice would it take away?

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Post by LegitShady »

sgift wrote: post #197
oarsinsync wrote: post #189

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"Think of the elderly" appears to be the new "think of the children" when it comes to erasing privacy (and other freedoms) in the name of "security". I have definitely fallen victim to that one myself, and have pushed that argument when considering Apple's walled garden in iOS, and how much that has assisted me personally in not having to provide tech support for members of my family. Unfortunately, between these arg…

No one said uncle Bob is old. Maybe uncle Bob is your hip cousin who still has no idea how these things work and zero interest to learn it . IMO, the biggest failure of tech discussions is to ignore that technology is there to solve a problem people have. It's not an end, it's a means to an end. People want to know that the video they see which says "filmed in xy" was really filmed in xy and not manipulated afterward…

>People want to know that the video they see which says "filmed in xy" was really filmed in xy and not manipulated afterwards.

The only people who care enough to give up all privacy on the internet in exchange are deeply misunderstanding what normal people care about. Uncle bob would much rather the meme he made about weed not trace back to him or get to his employer with his fingerprint.

whether some video was filmed in xy doesn't matter unless you're in some sort of political crisis. Bob isn't. You're using a fictional bob to represent your own desires and present them as 'everyman issues'.

Bob doesn't care, and if he did he'd already use authentication. This is your problem, not bob's, but you're using a fake bob as some kind of 'personal shield' for an opinion leaning towards sacrificing freedom and privacy for very little in return.

What real bob wants most is probably less of you interfering in what he can see and read. He's not your kid and your intrusion on his freedom to read and speak are aggression against him.

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Post by freeone3000 »

temac wrote: post #221
freeone3000 wrote: post #98

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Licensing isn't an issue: a standard Windows 10 Pro license is processor-independent and includes a single-seat virtualization license. If Apple allowed it, you could even use the same license for virtualization and BootCamp like you can on amd64 macs.

I'm not sure ARM images are available, except for big OEMs. Also IIRC the boot is not restricted to Apple software (or at least can be unlocked), so I'm not sure that Apple is actually disallowing anything. Getting native drivers is another issue...

Here's a download link to the image: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windowsins...

If someone wants to try it on an m1 Mac, I'd be interested where it fails.

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Post by thunkshift1 »

samfisher83 wrote: post #18

You have to give whomever came up with 14nm process. Despite being super old it's still somewhat competitive. It's crazy Intel can't fix their process. They make more cash than amd, nvida etc. They make more cash than tsmc.

They are extracting every single dime of their billon dollars worth 14 nm process, like any business would.. time to move on to the next best thing though
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