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Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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On a global marketplace? $100/hour is a ridiculously good rate for a large % of workers. Maybe not in SF or Tech Hubs but for a graphics designer in India, or Eastern Europe?

You get what you pay for.

Take the very same individual and place them in India or US, or even in a high or low CoL area in the US and they would charge differently; but their work is still the same. So you're not really getting what you paid for, you're paying for many externalities.

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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It will be interesting to see a third public company building a work marketplace. Upwork and Fiverr are already a godsend when you build a startup. But they still leave a lot to be desired. From a buyers perspective, Upwork feels more solid than Fiverr. In terms of freelancers and system functionality. One thing that is annoying on both platforms is that they send you an invoice after every gig. The first one that wi…

Do you know why those companies like Fiverr didn't get the same treatment as Uber? In the end it is a pretty much the same business model.

If you mean the California law, I think the big difference is that under AB5, workers can only be independent contractors if the work they do is "outside the usual course of a company's business".

There's no way driving for Uber can ever meet that criteria. Fiverr, on the other hand, often meets that definition.

The US federal rules are more subjective, but more generally about "control". Not as stark a difference as the AB5 example, but it does feel like Fiverr workers have more control over things like "picking their tools", "exactly how to do the work", etc.

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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https://support.upwork.com/hc/en-us/articles/211064098-Log-T... > It’s easy to bill your time using the Upwork desktop app. ... > When you have logging turned on, the app takes random screen captures six times per hour—once per 10-minute billing segment. Anything visible on your screen will display in your Work Diary, but you have the option, in Settings, to choose whether the screen captures your entire desktop or o…

How do they record your thinking time, do they take a brain snapshot?! As writing new code represents 30% of all time...

Desktop logging is mostly used for hourly projects. I think it is possible (or used to be) to use logging for fixed projects as well, but there is little value here.

For what you describe, hourly billing will not work anyway. Some kind of fixed type of payment, or perhaps retainer + hourly billing for actual typing/research would be more appropriate. I think, both can be setup on Upwork (as two separate projects)

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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We need to put a stop to all electronic surveillance. Cheap tech/software is making it appear everywhere. It’s just going to get more pervasive in the future. I already feel like the wealthy are watching us everywhere. I would like to see most electronic monitoring made illegal. I think we need to set up laws over employer monitoring, even having cameras at work for any reason, even for loss prevention. If they decid…

> "I would like to see most electronic monitoring made illegal." What does this even mean? Does it mean no logging of anything you do online? If you go to a website, it creates an HTTP log. The administrators of those sites usually review HTTP logs for valid, not-scary, security related issues. If I have see a spike in error codes, then there might be an availability issue on my website. I can also look for indicator…

> What does this even mean?

In most European countries intrusive monitoring is illegal. For example, you are not allowed to snoop on your employees email unless there's a very good reason for that (suspected fraud, stealing information, etc).

Even more intrusive tools are outright illegal.

> What about CCTV cameras? Can I not put one in my business?

You can. What you can't do is use them to snoop on your employees indiscriminately and you better have a clear retention policy for the footage and make sure that it's deleted after a specified period.

e: small clarification

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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In the future your boss will assign work by auctioning JIRA tickets off to the team with a price ceiling set by freelancers on the LinkedIn marketplace. Payment will be through a bounty system. Salary is such an outdated payment structure

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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As a freelancer. All the rave reviews were from clients. After the fact, I asked around for friends that had tried it as freelancers, and they all had similar stories to mine. It seems that Upwork is really a platform for offshore work. Some of these folks are undoubtedly good, but it's probably a crapshoot, which, to be fair, is also the case for local talent. With cheap offshore work, you can try out a couple of ou…

You need to learn to game the system like the most popular freelancers and agencies seem to learn to do; you're not getting kicked off the platform as a freelancer/agency even if you engage in blackmail/extortion for 5 star ratings - even when there's proof - as I have experienced. It's like you need to start to create some fake accounts, or friends to signup, give you projects - worth a lot or not, or hidden, but wi…

If you are hiring, you have to have tasks of staggered difficulty and pay by the hour. Risks still include a skilled worker being swapped out later. If you have a project with a multi-week timeline, the final product delivered at once, you are setting yourself up to get fucked.

* referring to software development. Other tasks are an order of magnitude easier to hire for.

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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https://support.upwork.com/hc/en-us/articles/211064098-Log-T... > It’s easy to bill your time using the Upwork desktop app. ... > When you have logging turned on, the app takes random screen captures six times per hour—once per 10-minute billing segment. Anything visible on your screen will display in your Work Diary, but you have the option, in Settings, to choose whether the screen captures your entire desktop or o…

What's next, brainwave scanners that only pay you for hours that has atleast 20% gamma wavelength.

Dammit Jim, we could have sold that to a SPAC after we got the boards designed on UpWork.

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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https://support.upwork.com/hc/en-us/articles/211064098-Log-T... > It’s easy to bill your time using the Upwork desktop app. ... > When you have logging turned on, the app takes random screen captures six times per hour—once per 10-minute billing segment. Anything visible on your screen will display in your Work Diary, but you have the option, in Settings, to choose whether the screen captures your entire desktop or o…

I can't speak for all freelancers, but I do think you're missing some things. I've completed 1000+ projects on Upwork with a 95%+ success rate over the past few years (mostly resume writing and executive bios). As a freelancer, you can simply refuse the monitoring feature. I would never accept a project where the client wanted screen shots. I use Google Docs so my activity is tracked there pretty accurately as it is,…

You are doing a tasks that is very easy to evaluate from a success/fail standpoint.

Upwork tends to perform really well for these sorts of one off tasks. Hiring good technically talent is really hard.

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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https://support.upwork.com/hc/en-us/articles/211064098-Log-T... > It’s easy to bill your time using the Upwork desktop app. ... > When you have logging turned on, the app takes random screen captures six times per hour—once per 10-minute billing segment. Anything visible on your screen will display in your Work Diary, but you have the option, in Settings, to choose whether the screen captures your entire desktop or o…

Some friends work on upwork like this 4 hours a day while being monitored as you said. The pay is very good and don't care too much about this monitoring now which they might have in the beginning. It's tiring but it works.

I am a private person, I don't really like working in public. But in the end I really wonder how much of it matters. I think most people look like they are doing next to nothing and are mostly ineffective as well.

I think monitoring is a poor form of feedback, organizations where this would be necessary are effectively non-conscious entities.

Think an AI that manages the gig-employees the keep the vent tubes on the Windy's DeepFriedExtrude units clean. It just needs to track cleaner consumed per increment and movement in front of the kiosks.

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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It is only a matter of time that members of such services will be declared as employees and will have to be paid minimum wage and get other perks (and also have the correct tax collected at source). Otherwise how this case is different from Uber? Just because someone is not sitting in the car for hours it doesn't mean the suffering is any different.

the freelancers will likely "set their rate" on LinkedIn. Uber drivers can not set a rate. Being unable to negotiate rate is one of the primary reasons Uber is being considered an employer.
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