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Autopilot on Cars for $999

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Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

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so let me get this straight, this is a single camera, single point of failure device that you mount under your rear view mirror and trust your life with? ok...

It requires a car with adapative cruise control and also uses data from the cars stock radar.

are you sure it requires adaptive cruise control? I thought that was the entire point of the system?

Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

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The guy who developed this goes by the moniker geohot. He was the first person to ever jailbreak an iPhone, as a teenager. He then went on to do the same for the PS3.

This guy is incredibly talented and is trying to put retrofit self-driving tech into the hands of everyone.

Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

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Surprised how much hate there is here for this technology from people who never tried it. I've had one for a year. It is game-changing. You can drive what you like - it supports many different cars.. I can road trip for hours on autopilot and then drive my Subaru on rocky forest roads that would rip the undercarriage out of a Tesla.. It does adaptive cruise control and lane centering for hours on end.. Being able to…

Investors care more about making money than technology.

Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which car and what did you drive before? And can you quantify how much benefit you see over adaptive cruise / lane assist / etc that is standard on many cars these days? I agree with your sentiment, just unsure what your point of reference is and how much impact the fancy AI actually has. My car (2017 model) has the features I mentioned from the factory and is great on long trips too.

This is a good video somebody did to compare the Toyota's stock system (latest one known as tss 2.0) with Comma Openpilot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5-inxH92wM

Yeah the Toyota 2.0 system is pretty lousy. I rented a 2019 RAV4 Hybrid for a road trip from the Bay Area to San Diego. Lane keep assist didn’t work well, even in broad daylight. One of the blind spot monitors was broken (missed a semi that passed us), which was a shocking failure. The adaptive cruise control was good though.

Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

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So how much do these things actually cost? The title makes it seem like it's $999, one-time. But the website refers to $24/car/month. And there also appears to be a $200 harness fee at installation. Are there other fees?

I might be interested in a system like this, but I would only use this infrequently. If it costs $1,200 + tax up-front and about $300/yr in perpetuity, that seems like much less of a good deal.

Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

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post #235

As a motorcyclist, I figure I will eventually end up as a JIRA ticket in some "self-crashing car" system's backlog. But then again, that is the story of society - progress slowly built up over time on the pile of irradiated, mangled, dead and destroyed bodies over the course of millennia of lessons learned. Just hoping that they name the feature / patch after me.

That would be bad for optics. Best they can do is name a variable after you in the crashing feedback algorithm.

Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

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post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It requires a car with adapative cruise control and also uses data from the cars stock radar.

are you sure it requires adaptive cruise control? I thought that was the entire point of the system?

Full functionality requires both lane keep assist for steering and active cruise control for gas/brake. It uses data from car systems, but the model is closed so I'm not quite sure how the data is used.

The website does list what cars are officially supported. People have gone a lot further to get it on older cars, make unofficial forks, or even add radar or swap EPS.

It doesn't give you a self driving car, but I found it's significantly better than stock systems for highway driving.

Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

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> And I'd be willing to bet their processes and standards are much better than big auto. Comma has a neat product, but I really do not agree with comments like this. The auto industry is terrible, but they are miles ahead of Comma in the process realm. The industry has spent a lot of time on safety standards like ASIL and AUTOSAR. They would never allow Comma to ship, because it is written in Python, a pausable langu…

All the critical pieces are written in C. He's talked about it many, many times.

This just isn't true as far as I am aware. The vehicle interfaces[0] and control loop are all in Python. It doesn't help if other components are in C if your commands to the vehicle are interrupted by GC pauses.

Even if it was true, and it was all in C, it is only better because there is no GC -- there are still a myriad of potential issues that the auto industry routinely addresses in both software and hardware that Comma either cannot or does not. Not to say they are perfect, but Comma is well below any sort of bar.

[0] https://github.com/commaai/openpilot/tree/master/selfdrive/c...

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