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OpenStreetMap proven to be a highly accurate map in top US cities

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Re: OpenStreetMap proven to be a highly accurate map in top US cities

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Post by blackboxlogic »

themeiguoren wrote: post #240
blackboxlogic wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought I was helping the world by fixing things on google maps. That will be a perpetual reminder for how naive I can be.

You were helping google, but you were also helping everyone who used their maps from that day into the future. Your comment gives off the air of someone upset they helped the wrong party in a zero-sum game. IMO, this is clearly a positive sum one, and you shouldn’t despair at improving little corners of the world just because actors you don’t like will also benefit.

I DO see it as zero sum. OSM and Google maps compete for a limited supply of users. It's the "wrong" team because when Google gets users, they make money. When OSM gets users, the map gets better and people are freer from abuse and manipulation.

Re: OpenStreetMap proven to be a highly accurate map in top US cities

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Post by habi »

Symbiote wrote: post #197
dawnerd wrote: post #46

Now if only there was a sensible way to self-host OSM data. From what I've found you either have to build a dedicated server to continuously building the tiles (which takes a ton of storage and processing power) or pay for it at an insane monthly price. I wish OSM would directly make their tiles available to mirror. (Maybe they do, but I haven't found it yet)

https://openmaptiles.org/ might be an option, although it doesn't include everything Open Street Map itself includes.

Can you explain what is not included? Do you mean that they don't render some things that are present in OSM? You refine and set up the tiles from openmaptiles to your liking quite a bit...

Re: OpenStreetMap proven to be a highly accurate map in top US cities

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Post by Symbiote »

habi wrote: post #242
Symbiote wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://openmaptiles.org/ might be an option, although it doesn't include everything Open Street Map itself includes.

Can you explain what is not included? Do you mean that they don't render some things that are present in OSM? You refine and set up the tiles from openmaptiles to your liking quite a bit...

There are features in OSM like power lines, pipelines, ski runs, fences, cliffs, hedges, traffic lights, marker buoys, ferry routes, bus routes etc. These aren't in the OMT vector tiles, to keep them small. (Some of them might be included since I last looked.)

The features that are there are included from a particular zolm level. If you want to make a global railway map - so you will show major railways at zoom 2, say - you would need to hack around, since the first zoom the railways appear on is 4 (or whatever).

What you can easily customise is showing those railways at zoom 4+ (or not) and the style of the lines.

Re: OpenStreetMap proven to be a highly accurate map in top US cities

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Post by habi »

Symbiote wrote: post #243
habi wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain what is not included? Do you mean that they don't render some things that are present in OSM? You refine and set up the tiles from openmaptiles to your liking quite a bit...

There are features in OSM like power lines, pipelines, ski runs, fences, cliffs, hedges, traffic lights, marker buoys, ferry routes, bus routes etc. These aren't in the OMT vector tiles, to keep them small. (Some of them might be included since I last looked.) The features that are there are included from a particular zolm level. If you want to make a global railway map - so you will show major railways at zoom 2, sa…

This is very correct, but for 100k requests a month it's free to use their API (https://www.maptiler.com/cloud/) [1].

If you want some of the features you mention rendered in your application you probably have to "Generate your own vector tiles from selected OpenStreetMap tags" as they also mention on their website.

[1] I'm not even a customer of them, just browsing their website.

Re: OpenStreetMap proven to be a highly accurate map in top US cities

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Post by thinkingemote »

blackboxlogic wrote: post #241
themeiguoren wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You were helping google, but you were also helping everyone who used their maps from that day into the future. Your comment gives off the air of someone upset they helped the wrong party in a zero-sum game. IMO, this is clearly a positive sum one, and you shouldn’t despair at improving little corners of the world just because actors you don’t like will also benefit.

I DO see it as zero sum. OSM and Google maps compete for a limited supply of users. It's the "wrong" team because when Google gets users, they make money. When OSM gets users, the map gets better and people are freer from abuse and manipulation.

Apple and Facebook both use OSM data, so contributing to OSM helps them make money.

Re: OpenStreetMap proven to be a highly accurate map in top US cities

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Post by blackboxlogic »

thinkingemote wrote: post #245
blackboxlogic wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I DO see it as zero sum. OSM and Google maps compete for a limited supply of users. It's the "wrong" team because when Google gets users, they make money. When OSM gets users, the map gets better and people are freer from abuse and manipulation.

Apple and Facebook both use OSM data, so contributing to OSM helps them make money.

don't forget Amazon (for shipping).

Re: OpenStreetMap proven to be a highly accurate map in top US cities

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Post by DavideNL »

radicaldreamer wrote: post #70

What is the best-in-class iOS app using OpenStreetMap? For iPhone, MagicEarth looks extremely good ( https://www.magicearth.com/ ), but I'm wondering if people have other recommendations...

I wonder what's the best-in-class iOS app using OpenStreetMap in terms of privacy.

Functioning offline without sharing your location (or data derived from it) with some big-tech company selling it for $.

Re: OpenStreetMap proven to be a highly accurate map in top US cities

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Post by habi »

DavideNL wrote: post #247
radicaldreamer wrote: post #70

What is the best-in-class iOS app using OpenStreetMap? For iPhone, MagicEarth looks extremely good ( https://www.magicearth.com/ ), but I'm wondering if people have other recommendations...

I wonder what's the best-in-class iOS app using OpenStreetMap in terms of privacy . Functioning offline without sharing your location (or data derived from it) with some big-tech company selling it for $.

Mapy.cz (https://apps.apple.com/ch/app/mapy-cz/id411411020?l=en) does collect some data (see App Privacy in the App Store), but is not linked to „your identity“.

Re: OpenStreetMap proven to be a highly accurate map in top US cities

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Post by habi »

DavideNL wrote: post #247
radicaldreamer wrote: post #70

What is the best-in-class iOS app using OpenStreetMap? For iPhone, MagicEarth looks extremely good ( https://www.magicearth.com/ ), but I'm wondering if people have other recommendations...

I wonder what's the best-in-class iOS app using OpenStreetMap in terms of privacy . Functioning offline without sharing your location (or data derived from it) with some big-tech company selling it for $.

OsmAnd (https://apps.apple.com/ch/app/osmand-maps-travel-navigate/id...) does only collect usage data and diagnostics according to the App Store.

Re: OpenStreetMap proven to be a highly accurate map in top US cities

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Post by habi »

DavideNL wrote: post #247
radicaldreamer wrote: post #70

What is the best-in-class iOS app using OpenStreetMap? For iPhone, MagicEarth looks extremely good ( https://www.magicearth.com/ ), but I'm wondering if people have other recommendations...

I wonder what's the best-in-class iOS app using OpenStreetMap in terms of privacy . Functioning offline without sharing your location (or data derived from it) with some big-tech company selling it for $.

Magic Earth (https://apps.apple.com/ch/app/magic-earth-navigation-maps/id...) does not collect any data according to the App Store.
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