It's a positive thing for these ejections to be across the political spectrum, because it makes the demand for distributed moderation come from across the political spectrum. I hope that demand congeals on support for an open blogging protocol, such that people can very easily post once and direct it to multiple platforms or any listener. If this becomes popular enough, and posts aren't owned by a particular platform…
Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain
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Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain
#242They've already pretty much killed The Canary through their lobbying, the SWP would be a natural next target. Though gawd knows why, they're fairly harmless if a wee bit stuck in early 20th century Marxist/Leninist dogma. I've been to a few of their online meetings and I can safely say they're hardly anywhere close to being revolutionaries, and miles away from promoting propaganda by deed.
More info:
https://www.thecanary.co/investigation/2020/12/01/exclusive-...
https://jacobinmag.com/2020/06/anti-corbyn-blair-censorship-...
Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain
#243Earlier quoted context omitted.
> and anonymous use will be illegal. Super interesting that you mention this. I was just thinking the other day about what an absolute dumpster fire "the internet" is due to anonymity (obviously that's not the _only_ reason, but it's a non-trivial reason). This idea that "Let's give people the ability to be anonymous, and somehow, that's gonna make us all bond together and be better" is pretty hilarious in hindsight.…
> I would personally love to see a "web" where you have to comment...as your public self. Isn't this Facebook? Granted I'm sure not every single profile is "verified" with an actual ID, but lack of anonymity doesn't seem to stop as many people as you'd think.
It only discourages the most sane people from participating thus it boosts the signal of the remaining crazies. Anyone who doesn't yet realize this just needs to join some local Facebook groups.
Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain
#244Earlier quoted context omitted.
The decentralized web is the world wide web, and the decentralized tech you're referring to is just a shrunken facsimile of the real thing. Facebook is just the most popular "node" on the decentralized web, if the masses switched over to some ActivityPub social network history would just repeat itself whenever the most popular node bans someone popular.
That's like claiming that digital money can't be fully decentralized. And it indeed wasn't possible until Satoshi figured it out. There's no obvious reason to believe that a fully distributed social network isn't also possible. A requirement would be that any individual would have full agency for all operations on the network. Once you've got one agent that has special power over another agent, it's lost.
Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain
#245This shut down story is another tale in the impending international regulation, and maybe breaking up, of what is comically called 'big tech' ('big' does not begin to describe the sizes involved, the naivety is staggering). As newspaper barons before them, the internet has not policed itself adequately enough, according to the governments of the world, and now they will act in unity to take back some control. And the…
That is already somewhat the case in China. Meaning, it is not a possible dystopian future... it is the present in some parts of the world.
(with apologies to William Gibson)
Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain
#246Tim Berner’s Lee and the Solid project have a good answer to these issues I think. Everyone owns their posts and likes and comments and friends etc. Any new platform can spin up and instantly compete because they just have to make your data more useful to you. It’d be like you owning all your music online and Spotify is just an interface, if you don’t like it you can jump to Apple Music. Or make your own or download…
Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain
#247This shut down story is another tale in the impending international regulation, and maybe breaking up, of what is comically called 'big tech' ('big' does not begin to describe the sizes involved, the naivety is staggering). As newspaper barons before them, the internet has not policed itself adequately enough, according to the governments of the world, and now they will act in unity to take back some control. And the…
> and anonymous use will be illegal. Super interesting that you mention this. I was just thinking the other day about what an absolute dumpster fire "the internet" is due to anonymity (obviously that's not the _only_ reason, but it's a non-trivial reason). This idea that "Let's give people the ability to be anonymous, and somehow, that's gonna make us all bond together and be better" is pretty hilarious in hindsight.…
Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain
#248> ... have been removed from Facebook with no explanation given At the very least, this should be unacceptable. You shouldn't get banned for something if you aren't told what you did. If it was for use of the word revolutionary, it should say so. Or if they called for some leader's heads, it should say so. Then they could avoid doing the same in the future and we could all agree with or criticize the rationale. As it…
Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain
#249> ... have been removed from Facebook with no explanation given At the very least, this should be unacceptable. You shouldn't get banned for something if you aren't told what you did. If it was for use of the word revolutionary, it should say so. Or if they called for some leader's heads, it should say so. Then they could avoid doing the same in the future and we could all agree with or criticize the rationale. As it…
Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain
#250I wonder if this is the handiwork of the Center for Countering Digital Hate crowd backed by the right wing of UK Labour. They've already pretty much killed The Canary through their lobbying, the SWP would be a natural next target. Though gawd knows why, they're fairly harmless if a wee bit stuck in early 20th century Marxist/Leninist dogma. I've been to a few of their online meetings and I can safely say they're hard…
https://swp.org.uk/who-we-are/
> The Socialist Workers Party is a revolutionary socialist party ... We want to see a revolution ...