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Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by mhh__ »

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #194
mhh__ wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really scared to trust Greenwald on anything political at the moment. For a start, the silencing competitors argument doesn't really work with AWS because they just do hosting.

That's a shame, because Greenwald and other contrarian writers have been the only ones consistently right the last few years with regards to Russiagate and other "emotional" headline issues.

Greenwald has actually been consistently wrong on quite a lot on that topic - mentioned quite a few places on the Wikipedia article actually.

I should stress that some partisan democrats have also been just as wrong, but Greenwald is just making it up to downplay what did actually happen.

To anyone who hasn't, please go and read the Wiki article on it - it's very detailed and clears up a lot of frankly worrying narratives I see on this website that are frankly a little disappointing considering the average reader is usually quite fastidious with technology.

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Post by newhouseb »

burke wrote: post #87
meekmockmook wrote: post #17

I have seen so many violent threats and incitements on Twitter, Snapchat, Facebook, and Instagram over the last 5 years that Parler could possibly make the case that they've been singled out, but I doubt it. They're just too unsympathetic of a plaintiff, imho. That said, antitrust battles against Big Tech will dominate the next four years of economic policy, and rightfully so. GAFA is too big, too powerful, too manip…

A salient difference is that Big Tech will at least pay lip service to the idea of moderation, when push comes to shove. Parler is founded on the idea of absolutely unmoderated speech. Even if they win this one, the writing is on the wall for them. EDIT: This is not as true as I thought. Interesting information below!

I believe "absolutely unmoderated" speech isn't technically correct here. As I understand it, Parler does have a form of moderation wherein a "jury" of 5 people evaluate flagged content within a 24 hour window of being flagged. If 4 vote for removal, content is removed. [1]

Naturally, if such a platform is dominated by extremists then extreme speech will remain effectively unmoderated (I can't speak to the fraction of the [former?] Parler userbase that is/was made up of violent instigators).

[1] Kara Swisher's interview with the Parler CEO on the Sway podcast (I haven't actually used Parler beyond taking a look once out of curiosity)

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Post by mech422 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #158
mech422 wrote: post #63

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Twitter doesn't do hosting, so it wouldn't 'compete' with AWS for customers? and AWS isn't a social media site?

> Twitter doesn’t do hosting, so it wouldn’t ‘compete’ with AWS for customers? Sure, the place were an agreement of restraint of trade would be more simply possible would be something like Twitter/FB. Though if you had a Twitter/FB pact and AWS was brought in and agreed to kick off Twitter/FB competitors that didn’t voluntarily join the Twitter/FB pact, AWS could be part of the scheme… And a Twitter/AWS agreement alo…

Except the lawsuit mentions AWS and twitter...not FB? I mean sure, we can come up with all kinds of scenarios but the probably have zero relevance to the case ?

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Post by joshuak »

Genuine question. Why don't platforms support both up and down voting?

I've always found it pretty obnoxious that you can only encourage content you want not discourage content you don't want. HN seems to have a good system.

Shouldn't platforms allow free speech but give the community the tools to discourage destructive speech?

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Post by Nacdor »

ztratar wrote: post #119
Nacdor wrote: post #80

Glenn Greenwald has been investigating the planning of the Capitol protests and says "it was largely done on Facebook". So far he hasn't been able to identify a single person who was arrested and active on Parler: > Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero. The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silenci…

The guy in the fur hat was arrested and had a Parler. This isn't hard. The majority of people arrested had Parler accounts -- it's everywhere.

Hard to confirm at the moment with Parler gone, but all the stories I've found seem to indicate he was mostly active on Twitter.

I think a more interesting (and neutral) approach for Greenwald to take would be to show that all of these prominent figures were most likely active on ALL social media platforms, yet only Parler has been singled out.

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Post by Natsu »

tptacek wrote: post #114
charly187 wrote: post #51

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This just isn't true. We can argue whether or not Parler was not moderating correctly - but to imply they did not have a policy against violence is not true: 6. Threats of Violence, Advocacy of Imminent Lawless Action, Threats to Dox, Bribery or Criminal Solicitation So-called “fighting words” are not a violation of our Guidelines.2 6.1 However, reported parleys, comments, or messages sent using our service will be d…

Since the previous comment where you said this is dead, I'll repeat my response here: Amazon presented Parler with a list of violent posts that they had reported to Parler and that Parler had refused to remove. The whole letter Amazon sent to Parler was reported out by Buzzfeed, including screenshots of the violent posts that Parler did not remove.

Parler's complaint references here says that they did remove them and also that the article referenced was leaked before it was sent to Parler.

We'll have to watch this play out in court, later.

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Post by czzr »

manigandham wrote: post #212
meekrohprocess wrote: post #132

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What's wrong with targeting ads based on subject matter? TV channels and magazines know how this works. If the page is about fashion, sell ad space to clothing companies. If the page is about travel, sell it to hospitality companies and tourism boards. If the page is about politics or finance, sell it to people making catheters and stair lifts. It's much less creepy than trying to spy on everybody who reads the page,…

It doesnt work as well as targeted ads. Why would hundreds of billions in ad spend willingly choose a lesser option?

If it’s the only option that exists, why wouldn’t they?

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Post by gruez »

r00fus wrote: post #148
demygale wrote: post #64

Parler has a moderation policy and they don’t apply it. Content that promotes illegal activity is not protected free speech and is also prohibited by Parler’s policies. They selectively applied that moderation after they became popular with MAGA. Also, 4chan exists why can’t Parler find a host?

Was 4chan actually found to be culpable in organizing an illegal activity, or was that 8chan?

the latter, if you're talking about the new zealand shootings.

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Post by baud147258 »

jansan wrote: post #170
FalconSensei wrote: post #117

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> Also, 4chan exists why can’t Parler find a host? Although I agree that 4chan is problematic sometimes, many people that just put blame on it don't actually use it. I remember when Netflix's Cuties was released, 4chan prohibited posting any image/video from the show

The German government maintains a blacklist of websites not suitable for minors. We can use this blacklist when setting up web access for children to block at least the worst websites (mainly porn). The last time I checked, 4Chan was not on that list.

if the goal of that list is to block porn, 4chan should totally be blocked, since there are boards for porn there.

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Post by chefkoch »

kypro wrote: post #192
tibbydudeza wrote: post #152

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Afaik their entire stack is built using AWS services.

The difference is that Parler was a disruptive platform, 4chan isn't. There is a bunch of awful content hosted on AWS, but it's generally only when you reach some scale and become a threat to those in silicon valley that you can expect to be shut off.

Why is Parler disruptive?
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