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Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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>1. Where do the upstream RHEL sources live? CentOS sources are in https://vault.centos.org/8.3.2011/BaseOS/Source/SPackages/ , but where do they get them upstream? I believe they're only available to RHEL subscribers, does this give RH a way to block clones? How'd they used to do it then? I assume they just became a subscriber? Edit: just thought about it, couldn't they get them from CentOS? Would be pretty funny.

From what I understand[1], up to RHEL6, Red Hat released their sources on public ftp, but after that they became customer/subscriber-only. I would have thought that the GPL ensures that the customer can then freely redistribute them, but I've read that companies can still make that option very unattractive through other means (e.g. terminating the customer contract, mingling sources with proprietary stuff and making…

>> I would have thought that the GPL ensures that the customer can then freely redistribute them

I'm actually surprised Red Hat has typically shipped SRPMS in bulk to it's customers. I think it's rare that customers would use them, and the GPL allows Red Hat to be far less accomodating. It allows you to charge for each copy of the source code you convey, it doesn't need to be in such a convenient form, it doesn't need to be available on-demand, it just needs to be available on-request.

Once a customer has it, yes - the GPL allows them to hand it to Rocky Linux and let them run with it. But I think the community has been fortunate so far just to get the distro sources they have in the way they've gotten them.

edit: Perhaps "fortunate" isn't the right word, since Red Hat benefits from the community and owes the community some reciprocation. I'm just saying that legally, if Red Hat wanted to be bigger douche bags, the GPL gives them some space to do so. And I'm glad they haven't fully taken advantage of that before.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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It’s pretty funny that anyone would complain about a Linux distribution being named after a developer’s given name. I mean, it’s Linux .

Debian also did this.

I feel like this is a fact that's much less well known :)

(Debian is actually a portmanteau of Deb(ra) + Ian...)

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Money. RHEL requires expensive licenses. CentOS was RHEL without the RedHat branding and without the expensive licensing. By design, there was a nearly complete overlap between RHEL and CentOS. By "repurposing" CentOS into a "rolling release", RedHat (IBM) has broken the overlap so CentOS (free licensing) no longer competes directly against RHEL (expensive licensing).

This is so misinformed it's funny. CentOS and RHEL will now be down to the compiler flags compatible since RHEL minor releases will now just be point-in-time forks of CentOS with security fixes and backports from, you guessed it, CentOS.

Right but I use CentOS cause it's the Cyberpunk from April 2021, not December 2020.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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What is the vision for Rocky Linux? A solid, stable, and transparent alternative for production environments, developed by the community for the community. Hence the name Rocky Linux, I suppose? Solid as a rock. Although I'll be inclined to think of it as series of movies. Perhaps even split wood before installing Rocky 5?

Maybe even a naming convention like Ubuntu: Rocky "Adrian" Linux I, then Rocky "Balboa" Linux II.

Seriously though, I am very happy about the name and its creation.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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The fact that a majority of the comments are whining about the name really shows you the worst part about open source: the non-contributing but highly entitled part of the community. If you don’t like the name, launch your own CentOS replacement. There’s no better time than now. If there’s one thing this project does not need right now, it’s armchair marketing experts. If you do care about a viable CentOS replacement…

I'd just like to interject for a moment. I'm confused why everyone is complaining about the "Rocky" part, which is a nice tribute and sounds pretty decent, when the actual problem is the "Linux" part. It should really be called "Rocky GNU/Linux", or "Rocky GNU+Linux", because the Linux kernel is only one component of a complete GNU-based operating system compatible with the POSIX standard.

I literally spat my coffee out. Thanks for the laugh.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Debian offers around three years of support. Ubuntu LTS around five. Both pale in comparison with Red Hat and, by proxy, CentOS.

This is false. Debian provides LTS with a 5-years timespan. [1] And there is even commercial support for Extended LTS now [2] Also, it's worth noticing that Debian provides security backports for a significantly larger set of packages and CPU architectures than other distributions. [1] https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases [2] https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Extended

Do you trust Debian LTS? As much as RHEL? The documentation about Debian LTS always made me think it is not a fully fledged thing. I've always felt like Debian releases reached EOL on their EOL date, not their LTS EOL date.

> Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies interested in making it a success.

https://wiki.debian.org/LTS

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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In some contexts rocky is synonymous with unstable or unreliable, so I assume that's the issue some people have.

Really? My first thought was the "Rocky Mountains" which seem like an apt metaphor for something slow, stable, and rock-solid. The logo even looks like a mountain peak. My second thought was Rocky Balboa... but I figured that probably wasn't right.

I think if you are not native English-speaking, your first thought will be the Italian stallion. At least, that is what I first think of.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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I knew what CentOS was, but never followed it because I've never personally had use for it. Still, I appreciate what it did and was glad to have it as an option should I ever need a super stable distro in the future.

That said, I think the FAQ is missing an answer for a critical question: What ultimately drove CentOS to its regrettable fate and what will Rocky Linux do to avoid a similar misfortune?

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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The fact that a majority of the comments are whining about the name really shows you the worst part about open source: the non-contributing but highly entitled part of the community. If you don’t like the name, launch your own CentOS replacement. There’s no better time than now. If there’s one thing this project does not need right now, it’s armchair marketing experts. If you do care about a viable CentOS replacement…

First impressions and names matter. As much as we don't like it, human beings are irrational and emotionally driven. There's nothing wrong with discussing a name.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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I knew what CentOS was, but never followed it because I've never personally had use for it. Still, I appreciate what it did and was glad to have it as an option should I ever need a super stable distro in the future. That said, I think the FAQ is missing an answer for a critical question: What ultimately drove CentOS to its regrettable fate and what will Rocky Linux do to avoid a similar misfortune?

IBM. Rocky will not be be IBM.
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