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Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Post by bgorman »

saberience wrote: post #218
danishdev wrote: post #28

Why is it so hard to realize that people want low taxes and light regulation? And that woke culture with it's free speech curtailment are a kind of 1984 environment where someone is watching your words constantly. California and NYC were great great states, and after decades of democrat governments, companies decide to move thousands of kilometers so they can leave these states in favor of Republican states. There's…

You're arguing about people leaving Democrat states in a post about people moving to Austin? Do you think Austin is a republican area? Austin is about as blue as it can get. No one is leaving Democratic states to go to some hell-hole Republican area. They are leaving Democrat cities to live in OTHER Democrat cities, the only difference between cost of living. That's it, simple as that. It has nothing to do with "woke…

Sure Austin is a little blue bubble in Texas. However, most laws that impact employers are made at the state level, and Texas is a much friendlier climate and has less regulation. This does change the situation for residents of “blue” cities like Austin.

Tons of people are moving to Arizona and Texas from the Midwest and California. Now these states are turning blue, but the policies that made them attractive to those people (less regulation, resulting in more housing built and more jobs) are definitely not “democrat” policies.

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Post by Razengan »

tidepod12 wrote: post #67
rainyMammoth wrote: post #10

How long before all the Californians make Austin the exact same place they fled from?

"Californication" (yes, as referred to in the Red Hot Chili Peppers song) has been a thing for almost a century now. Oregon literally tried to ban immigrants from California back in the 1940s, and Coloradoans have a notorious saying from the 60s "Don't Californicate Colorado" (it used to be a pretty common bumper sticker) due to this effect. Go to Wyoming or Idaho and people feel the same way. California has unfortun…

If people had more freedom in being able to live and work -from- wherever they wanted, we'd have more enclaves of different lifestyles based on like-mindedness and choice than circumstance.

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Post by rsync »

tidepod12 wrote: post #67
rainyMammoth wrote: post #10

How long before all the Californians make Austin the exact same place they fled from?

"Californication" (yes, as referred to in the Red Hot Chili Peppers song) has been a thing for almost a century now. Oregon literally tried to ban immigrants from California back in the 1940s, and Coloradoans have a notorious saying from the 60s "Don't Californicate Colorado" (it used to be a pretty common bumper sticker) due to this effect. Go to Wyoming or Idaho and people feel the same way. California has unfortun…

"Go to Wyoming or Idaho and people feel the same way. California has unfortunately been exporting its ridiculous cost of living and lifestyle to the American west for decades, Austin is just the latest to feel it."

It seems like that but the actual phenomenon is simply the slow, increasing urbanization of the United States.

There are, of course, actual Californians moving into places like Austin and Bend and Colorado Springs but with or without them, the American expression of 21st century urbanism is what we're actually witnessing.

California the place just happens to be 15-20 years ahead of most of the rest of the country on that path to urbanization which is why it's so easy to mistake it for "Californication".

As evidence I would put forth Minneapolis: this is not a place that many Californians are moving to and yet they are experiencing the same kind of anti-zoning housing movement, they bemoan exploding housing prices and they aspire to the same cultural and societal progression that everyone in the Bay Area would recognize.

I maintain they are not experiencing "Californication" - they are experiencing urbanization.

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Post by Hypx »

microtherion wrote: post #182
vzaliva wrote: post #80

Some people lament the decline of Silicon Vally companies like Tesla and Oracle moving out. I argue it could be a good thing. These giant enterprises are not really a pinnacle of entrepreneurship and innovation anymore. Let them move elsewhere and keep the Bay Area nurturing new entrepreneurs and startups. It is huge cubicle farms vs. garages and coworking places kind of distinction.

I don't think Tesla and Oracle belong in the same category. Tesla, for all its foibles, is still innovation driven and seems to be an active part of the tech ecosystem. Oracle seems more of the consulting/cubicle farm/enterprise driven company you describe.

There's still no support for Apple Carplay or Android Auto in any Tesla. So I very much doubt they're part of the tech ecosystem.

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Post by ineedasername »

cleansingfire wrote: post #171
lotsofpulp wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That being said, I know a couple of people who work there and they don't like their job I’m not surprised. I haven’t met anyone who deals with Oracle because they want to, only because they have to.

After an aggressive post sales upsell call: "You must buy more licenses" I laughed at them, dropped them, and they went on my "I Don't Work With Bastards" list. Of course one doesn't always have a choice, but with that list in mind, I often end up with more choice than expected. See also: last man on earth, ten foot pole.

I dealt with them on a large project once, ended in a lawsuit. Because

1) Their sales demos (which we recorded) pitched functionality that literally did not exist or was EOL'ed from the system without a replacement before we implemented.

2) It was a fixed-price contract, and when they screwed up & couldn't deliver on their benchmarks, they refused to continue working without additional payment

3) Paid customizations were developed in bad faith & without the contracted specs. In one example, there was a simple requirement: Users could enter a long blob of text, and clerks could review it as part of the user's record in Peoplesoft. They delivered the first part, not the second. When we asked where that functionality was, they said they didn't need to build anything more because the data was available to clerks via the assistance of a DBA.

The implementation failed, we got a settlement, and chose a different vendor while out Legacy system limped along for a few more years.

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

rayiner wrote: post #143
warmfuzzykitten wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It won't be a problem for local republican politicians as long as people keep moving to already democratic locations like Austin, whose impact has already been gerrymandered away. https://www.texastribune.org/2020/11/13/texas-redistricting-...

Gerrymandering makes districts extremely sensitive to population changes. The country was heavily gerrymandered by Democrats until the 1990s, and Republicans managed to flip it around within the decade: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Po... The chart shows the House popular vote compared to the number of House seats. When Biden entered Congress, Democrats were winning 10 percentage points mo…

The Republican party was the party of the "wealthy elite" back then. They rebranded themselves as the standard bearer of Christian values to boost their voter base. Now their base is so hooked on this tribal identity they will vote for candidates whose behavior is antithetical to the stated party platform.

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Post by vincentmarle »

beagle3 wrote: post #42

Likely irrelevant, but reminded me of this[0]: """Basically, we’re moving because of William Whyte‘s rule: virtually all corporate relocations involve a move to a location which is closer to the CEO’s home than the old location. Whyte discovered this principle after an extensive study of Fortune 500 companies that left New York City for the suburbs in the 1950s and 1960s""" Tesla will likely move its HQ to Texas foll…

Same with the Amazon "HQ2" relocation, all of the options that were considered happened to be places where Jeff Bezos owns a home.

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Post by jennyyang »

syntaxing wrote: post #11

I'm super curious how this will WFH Covid-era will play out for the Bay Area. I think the question I haven't figured out is job mobility. Pre-covid, even if you lost your job here as an engineer, finding another company thats interesting with the right pay isn't too hard which is one of the best appeals of SV. I wonder how this will play out in terms of this dynamic.

Companies will say "Everyone can work remote!" for a year or so, but small startups will work together in an office, and they will be more productive. As they make progress and competition increases, all other companies will drop WFH and enforce going into the office.

There's a large swath of people who want to work in an office for many different reasons. I don't think it's going away.

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Post by loosetypes »

davidw wrote: post #172
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Baker City? Wow. I'm rather shocked. I mean, yes, nice place. Not near anywhere. If you like ranching/farming communities with mountains nearby, it's pretty good. But how are internet speeds? And if you need to come back to "civilization", where's the nearest airport with commercial flights?

Probably not a great location for a travelling salesperson. But you can buy a lot of house for the same amount of money that would get you a dumpy, nondescript place in an anonymous part of Bend: https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/2405-2nd-S... To say nothing of the Bay Area. It doesn't take a lot of people moving in to start changing prices in a town that small.

Last Sold$ 35k in 2005

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Post by vangelis »

abfan1127 wrote: post #110
tinyhouse wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? Never been in Phoenix but I saw last summer they had some heat waves reaching temperatures around 120F (on top of being very humid). Why is it popular?

Phoenix is a very dry heat, very little humidity. 120F is toasty, but its nothing a pool and margarita can't solve :). Our winters are fantastic. We have 300+ days of sun shine! We are 2-3 hours to the Mexican beaches, 2 hours to snow for snowboard/ski (flagstaff), lots of golf, lots of hiking, lots of Tech work (Motorola was a monster back in its day, Intel has a huge presence, Godaddy, Paypal, the list goes on), Ba…

Enjoy the water while it lasts.
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