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Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by mombul »

RobertRoberts wrote: post #167
bondarchuk wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what is the reason given for it being unethical? Of course I realize there is a tradeoff involved in delaying the rollout of a vaccine but I don't see how that is related to the way vaccines are made, specifically.

To truly prove the efficacy of a vaccine you would have to intentionally give a test subject the virus to see if the vaccine actually works. It's not been done once by modern western medicine because it would be unethical by modern medical practices to intentionally infect a person.

If it's never been done then I don't understand how this is specifically problematic for the covid vaccine then.

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Post by majormajor »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #199
Barrin92 wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because believe it or not some people live in countries where the government manages to do just that.

I have already watched wealthy people in Germany and France and China skip the queue.

This could use some elaboration. Have you been in all three of those countries recently? Or "watched" meaning "saw people talking about online" or such? Or something in between?

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Post by ruffrey »

mrkramer wrote: post #224
radicalbyte wrote: post #27

I'll take it but only later in the year when it is more widely available. People at high risk should go first, then people who are super social (or stupid + spreading the plague). Especially younger people, they need to get pricked. Do you really think they're going to avoid drinking close physical contact in spring? Me neither.

> People who are super social (or stupid + spreading the plague) What if somebody has asymptomatic covid infection? He or she spreads it without intent, you can not blame them.

If they know it’s spreadable without symptoms, unfortunate, as is is, there’s a level of fault. Stupid is not a term I would use, though.

Mingling with other people at a similar comfort level of contract Covid - that’s just adults being adults. That’s freedom.

But if those people then go to unavoidable places like grocery stores, they’re putting people at risk who don’t have much of a choice.

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Post by lambdasquirrel »

jkw wrote: post #49

I think there's a difference between: (a) I WILL WAIT because I don't trust it yet, and (b) I WILL WAIT because I want to let the more at-risk people to have access it to first That seems to be lost in the poll

Depends on how people read the line saying that it's available to everyone and no wait lines. The way I read it was, yay!, vaccines for EVERYONE.

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Post by waiseristy »

jkw wrote: post #49

I think there's a difference between: (a) I WILL WAIT because I don't trust it yet, and (b) I WILL WAIT because I want to let the more at-risk people to have access it to first That seems to be lost in the poll

Isn't that covered by the prompt?

> Assumption: it is available to everyone at the same time

This reads like "everyone who wants it will get it"

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Post by cogman10 »

throwaway201103 wrote: post #198
jkw wrote: post #49

I think there's a difference between: (a) I WILL WAIT because I don't trust it yet, and (b) I WILL WAIT because I want to let the more at-risk people to have access it to first That seems to be lost in the poll

Also you might split up the "No" answer as "No, because I've already had COVID and recovered" vs. "No, I'm an anti-vaxxer" (or something).

It might be a good idea to get the vaccine even if you've already had COVID. There's not been any CDC recommendations about it, but here's what they do say.

> There is not enough information currently available to say if or for how long after infection someone is protected from getting COVID-19 again; this is called natural immunity. Early evidence suggests natural immunity from COVID-19 may not last very long, but more studies are needed to better understand this. Until we have a vaccine available and the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices makes recommendations to CDC on how to best use COVID-19 vaccines, CDC cannot comment on whether people who had COVID-19 should get a COVID-19 vaccine. [1]

Suffice it to say, I'll do whatever the CDC recommends. I've already had COVID, so I'm guessing I'll go last. But at the same time, I'll get the vaccine if it is recommended.

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html

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Post by viztor »

mrkramer wrote: post #224
radicalbyte wrote: post #27

I'll take it but only later in the year when it is more widely available. People at high risk should go first, then people who are super social (or stupid + spreading the plague). Especially younger people, they need to get pricked. Do you really think they're going to avoid drinking close physical contact in spring? Me neither.

> People who are super social (or stupid + spreading the plague) What if somebody has asymptomatic covid infection? He or she spreads it without intent, you can not blame them.

I doubt any one would spread with intent, which is probably criminal.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by oldie »

markkanof wrote: post #63
bognition wrote: post #12

I'm surprised to see such a high percentage of "NO" responses. I'm genuinely curious to understand why

Do these vaccines prevent a person from spreading the virus? I've heard a number of times that these will prevent the person who got the vaccine from getting sick, but that it won't prevent them from spreading the disease. If that is the case then I could understand why a young healthy person would not want the vaccine as the risk to them from covid is extremely low.

For young people, the risk of death is low, but even young people can suffer from long Covid: https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4470>.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

majormajor wrote: post #242
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have already watched wealthy people in Germany and France and China skip the queue.

This could use some elaboration. Have you been in all three of those countries recently? Or "watched" meaning "saw people talking about online" or such? Or something in between?

I was in Germany in October and with the individual the day they took the second shot. France is a professional contact who mentioned it on the phone, as is China.

Same thing happened with tests a few months ago in Palo Alto. Billionaires with boxes of them at their homes while public stocks ran low.

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