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Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by nacho2sweet » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 6:44 PM UTC

howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

Why should their algorithm amplify every message? You can go roll your own hosting and host your own video and send the link to whoever you want.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by jimbob45 » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 6:44 PM UTC

dylan604 wrote: post #160

howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

While the sarcasm is dripping, it's also true. There clearly are people that can view a video and realize that it's is 100% BS. Yet, at the same time, there are other people that will watch it and 100% believe it. If it wasn't effective, it wouldn't be used.

It’s always someone else needing to be censored with you pro-censorship types, never yourself. No one wants to be censored, least of all yourself, so why would you foist it on someone else?

If you’re going to stand up for censoring citizens en masse, then you ought to volunteer to be the first one to be censored.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by loxs » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 6:44 PM UTC

Judging mostly from the way the US government and Big Tech is handling this, I am now almost certain that widespread election fraud did occur. It does not differ one bit from the way Russia and Turkey handle their election frauds.

I haven't done any actual research on the topic myself, just sharing how it looks from the outside. I live half a world apart and have never been to the US.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by tasogare » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 6:44 PM UTC

laurent92 wrote: post #126

PeterStuer wrote: post #64

Regardless of what you believe to be 'The Truth', has suppression or censorship ever worked to quench dissonance or convince skeptical people, again, whether right or wrong, that there really is 'nothing to see here'.

Censorship has always worked quite well, unfortunately. I grew up believing certain things until, around 30, I went to look up the figures and noticed clichés and prejudices were more correct than teachers and journalists. What a world we live in. Not a situation I’d desire! To start with, it seems Galileo didn’t say « Pero se mueve ». If you pull the string from there, he can’t possibly have been incarcerated for sa…

You’re right that the whole France’s history program in school (or what remains of it, why was it suppressed in high school scientific section?) is indeed a made up narrative trying to build a certain image of the world, often very far from the truth. It’s especially flagrant by the constant bashing of royal era, and constant praise of the republic with important facts conveniently untold like the Vendée massacre. I like reading things about history on Wikipedia, and things are a lot more nuanced than that. And like with Santa Klaus, once you know you’ve been fooled, you wonder about what else they lied... and why.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by 13415 » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 6:44 PM UTC

bradenb wrote: post #105

Doesn't this just feed into people's fears about conspiracies? I can't understand why people are signing off on this. Let the Like/Dislike button do its job.

I'd remove this kind of content from a public pinboard anytime if I was in charge of one, so I personally find it hard to object if Youtube removes it.

However, I also believe that any algorithmic removal without human oversight should be prohibited by law. The abuse of DMCA requests should be addressed, namely by prohibiting algorithmically generated requests and by treating repeated bogus DMCA takedown requests in a way similar to commercial copyright infringement.

Just letting companies take down whatever they like in whatever way they want is not the right solution. They are basically "information utilities" and provide public goods of a value to society that goes beyond those company's personal advertisement income.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by pavanky » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 6:44 PM UTC

howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

You say this while half the country believes random people on Youtube and Facebook, refuse to wear masks in a pandemic that is killing people by the thousands.

I was young and believer in open internet once (and still am mostly) but the society as a whole has underestimated how much people are susceptible to being deceived and the cost differential between spreading and refuting false information.

I don't see this as anything other than an extension of anti-spam over email efforts of early 2000s.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by guscost » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 6:44 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #71

guscost wrote: post #65

YouTube staff is a gang of bullies, and they are pushing our country toward civil war. “The First Amendment is first for a reason. Second Amendment is just in case the First one doesn’t work out.” - Dave Chappelle

So who's going to start the mass shootings based on lies? Isn't that the conclusion of the Christchurch report the other day?

Actual war is a completely different scenario. It won’t be a lone crazy person, and it won’t happen before all other options are exhausted (thankfully, this means there is still a chance to avoid it).

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by newacct583 » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 6:44 PM UTC

dylan604 wrote: post #160

howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

While the sarcasm is dripping, it's also true. There clearly are people that can view a video and realize that it's is 100% BS. Yet, at the same time, there are other people that will watch it and 100% believe it. If it wasn't effective, it wouldn't be used.

Yeah, I just don't know what to do anymore. It's clear that the idea of good information rising to the top of vigorous discourse among an informed populace just isn't working. We're tearing the country apart right now with lies.

Is this fixable at all? Do we just give up? Do we fight the lies directly by not spreading them? No good options as long as the lies are spreading.

I have a very hard time seeing Youtube or Twitter as the bad guys here. At least they're trying. Screaming about censorship as the civilization falls apart seems to really be missing the point.

If freedom of speech won't save us, what will?

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by sangnoir » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 6:44 PM UTC

shadowgovt wrote: post #200

howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

It's a private company. If you don't like their slant, use another private company. I swear, it's like people have never had to cancel a newspaper subscription before.

"We want freedom - except for companies": people who don't realize free speech cuts both ways, without irony.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by rriepe » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 6:44 PM UTC

howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

It's so excellent that they've streamlined things for us here. I wish we had something like this here on Hacker News, to tame the ne'er-do-wells who disagree with Mother TV.