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Radicle: A peer-to-peer alternative to GitHub

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Re: Radicle: A peer-to-peer alternative to GitHub

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I'm impressed and I see potential on this one. I tried different ones over time but most fail at on-boarding. This was seamless and really easy. In about 2 minutes I successfully shared my project and followed known projects. This means this mvp works and it let me craving for more, I want to use this! I want issues and PR support to prove this can effectively work as a github replacement to me. Now, the downside of…

I was very interested but unfortunately my experience was quite opposite. I launched the app image on Pop_OS but couldn't sign up no matter which user name i chose (even resorted to random strings) - finally just gave up.

Re: Radicle: A peer-to-peer alternative to GitHub

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it does a good job listing project ideas / features / roadmap and is a pleasant step away from the bland corporate brands. Love the esthetic. You just can't satisfy everyone.

The front page alone is 9MB. Edit: perhaps more importantly, I have to gain a feeling for the product, to work out whether it's worth the perhaps nontrivial time evaluating it. If I'm presented with this what it indicates to me, rightly or not, is that the product is image-led, the project is perhaps childish if the website is (clips from ghost in the shell?), fails to understand technical load (the website's bloated…

> The front page alone is 9MB.

I don't understand how people think this is damning with no further context, especially on a forum presumably full of technical people. Virtually all of that (>9MB) are its gifs.

9MB of dozens of analytics.js files? Sure, awful.

9MB of gifs and Who cares.

Btw, for lack of a kinder word off the top of my head, your rant about some images on the landing page is very juvenile. The tone of "hmm, it would be a shame if your design choices made me assume you were technically incompetent and a waste of my time :/" is really toxic.

Everyone here would understand what you mean if you just said the landing page was over the top for you. Fine. OP would know that a bold design to be divisive. And frankly some self-awareness on your part would help temper your reaction here instead of dramatizing it and sounding wounded.

Similarly, claiming that a project interested you but you couldn't even get past a landing page because it had some gifs is really just your loss, not anybody else's. Once again, had you just said "I wish there was a more informative page" (which is certainly a fair ask), someone could have linked you to https://docs.radicle.xyz/docs/what-is-radicle.html.

I know that now it seems like I'm the one overreacting, but your comment has some tropes of really bad communication habits that we tend to think are just part of internet discourse, but they aren't doing you justice.

Re: Radicle: A peer-to-peer alternative to GitHub

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post #180

I'm impressed and I see potential on this one. I tried different ones over time but most fail at on-boarding. This was seamless and really easy. In about 2 minutes I successfully shared my project and followed known projects. This means this mvp works and it let me craving for more, I want to use this! I want issues and PR support to prove this can effectively work as a github replacement to me. Now, the downside of…

I was very interested but unfortunately my experience was quite opposite. I launched the app image on Pop_OS but couldn't sign up no matter which user name i chose (even resorted to random strings) - finally just gave up.

If you find yourself stuck, you can reach the team through one of the many channels: https://docs.radicle.xyz/docs/using-radicle/join-the-communi...

Or you can file an issue on the app repo directly over here: https://github.com/radicle-dev/radicle-upstream/issues/new

Re: Radicle: A peer-to-peer alternative to GitHub

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If it's free forever I'll give four years and check it.up again

It's P2P, so "free forever" isn't unrealistic.

Somebody still needs to agree to hosting your data. Incentivizing peers to host your encrypted data is not a solved problem. IPFS is trying to bootstrap some cryptocurrency to fix that but they seems to be taking their sweet time with that.

So, ultimately, you always end up with somebody providing the convenience of not throwing your data away for a fee. Github and Gitlab seem to be the popular options for that. Gitlab is actually open source and you can self host it if you want and many do. But the reason they have a nice valuation is that they have lots of customers that prefer them to do it.

Given that it's MIT Licensed, you can even do that and offer it as a service probably (Amazon, there's a nice idea for you :-) ).

Re: Radicle: A peer-to-peer alternative to GitHub

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> How will issues and PRs work?

> Social collaboration features (i.e. bug reports, patches, discussions etc...) are all on the Radicle roadmap. They will work very similarly to the experiences we have now, but will be local-first and cryptographically signed. This means issues, PRs, and discussions will be more secure, available offline, and stored on your machine as git objects — not on a central server!

Consider using an existing solution like https://github.com/dspinellis/git-issue or https://github.com/neithernut/git-dit or https://github.com/MichaelMure/git-bug

Re: Radicle: A peer-to-peer alternative to GitHub

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's P2P, so "free forever" isn't unrealistic.

Somebody still needs to agree to hosting your data. Incentivizing peers to host your encrypted data is not a solved problem. IPFS is trying to bootstrap some cryptocurrency to fix that but they seems to be taking their sweet time with that. So, ultimately, you always end up with somebody providing the convenience of not throwing your data away for a fee. Github and Gitlab seem to be the popular options for that. Gitl…

> IPFS is trying to bootstrap some cryptocurrency to fix that but they seems to be taking their sweet time with that

AFAIK, Filecoin is live now, and seems you can use it now for getting peers to host your IPFS data.

But, I'm also unsure that incentivizing peers with actual money is the best and/or only solution. BitTorrent works today for free, many peers are seeding content just to be seeders. DC++ worked yesterday, where people shared data just to share data.

While probably offering money for storing data will get more people onboard to store others data, it doesn't seem to be the only solution we have at hand to get free sharing of data.

Re: Radicle: A peer-to-peer alternative to GitHub

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The front page alone is 9MB. Edit: perhaps more importantly, I have to gain a feeling for the product, to work out whether it's worth the perhaps nontrivial time evaluating it. If I'm presented with this what it indicates to me, rightly or not, is that the product is image-led, the project is perhaps childish if the website is (clips from ghost in the shell?), fails to understand technical load (the website's bloated…

> The front page alone is 9MB. I don't understand how people think this is damning with no further context, especially on a forum presumably full of technical people. Virtually all of that (>9MB) are its gifs. 9MB of dozens of analytics.js files? Sure, awful. 9MB of gifs and Who cares. Btw, for lack of a kinder word off the top of my head, your rant about some images on the landing page is very juvenile. The tone of…

> ... on a landing page? Who cares.

I care. Wasting other people's resources is bad manners and contributes to a culture where waste is acceptable.

> waste of my time :/" is really toxic.

It was honest feedback. If others feel the same way the product marketing team is making a potentially serious mistake. Give me info, not anime android animations. It wasn't toxic.

> but you couldn't even get past a landing page because it had some gifs is really just your loss, not anybody else's.

If other people feel the same way, it very definitely stops being my problem and becomes the product's problem as people get turned off it. That was a core point you missed.

> could have linked you to https://docs.radicle.xyz/docs/what-is-radicle.html.

Why in your view was this not on the front page at the top?

(edit, and see this link & earlier reply https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25321788)

> but your comment ... but they aren't doing you justice

Thanks (genuinely) but I stand by this. It said what was wrong (IMO). it said what I wanted (again IMO), it was honest if blunt feedback the marketeers could use to decide if my point had merit (if they can admit they might have been wrong).

We differ but I appreciate your constructive feedback.

Re: Radicle: A peer-to-peer alternative to GitHub

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How and why is literally everything peer to peer in the tech community also somehow connected to ethereum?

Ethereum (and blockchain tech in general) genuinely open new doors to development and make it possible to do things that were not possible before. Especially now that we're several years further along, the tooling is a lot better and the design space is significantly more thoroughly explored. Yes, there's a lot of shady activity, a lot of scams, a lot of broken technology, and a lot of people with visions they can't…

I literally still have to see the first useful piece of blockchain software. For anything other than magic wealth building anyway.
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