I know this kind of thing might not be very popular on HN, but I like their anti-meritocracy statement: https://funkwhale.audio/en_US/code-of-conduct
They were taken from https://postmeritocracy.org/ by Coraline Ada Ehmke.
Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server
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Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server
#242Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am aware of ASCAP and the RIAA's (and friends) claims; I just don't uncritically accept them, let alone act as a volunteer copyright-cop for them. You are free to do whatever you like with your free time, of course.
> I just don't uncritically accept them, let alone act as a volunteer copyright-cop for them. It seems like you are implying I am. When all I'm trying to do is make sure musicians get fairly paid for their work. So yeah, I'm not super concerned about playing music loud in my car as you sarcastically suggested I should be. I am concerned about joining a music platform where something I purchased can be shared for free…
If you are suggesting people to buy the CD then you are not contributing much to artists.
Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server
#243Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Which music service's discovery features actually work? It depends on what you mean by "work". Discovery capabilities have certainly gotten vastly better. 10+ years ago, the only decent one was the now (effectively) defunct Last.fm. These days, they're all pretty good. Spotify, pandora, google music, and now youtube music will do a good job of giving you recommendations based strictly on what you've been cue-ing up…
> These days, they're all pretty good Your experience is vastly different than mine. Youtube music seems to be recommending nothing but what's popular. Justin Bieber is being recommending to me. I've never listed to him or anything remotely related. No good recommendations on any of the others. Maybe you have a different definition of "good" Good to me means "sounds similar and in the same genre as what I'm currently…
> It does not mean "people who liked this song also liked that song"
Actually, yes, it does (and many other things too), but to be fair "good" is a highly subjective judgment which is going to be different for everyone.
I don't think, at this point in time, we have recommendation engines that can do much more than fling out recommendations based on an unknown convolution of your listening history combined with music meta-data combined with social network data and a mix of paid stuff courtesy of your surveillance capitalism purveyor.
I know it's possible to capture some characteristics from the music track itself, like bpm (perhaps usable for EDM DJ's?). The "holy grail" would be to have a system that can truly assess the nature of a piece of music based on audio and use it make "interesting" and non-obvious recommendations. We are very far from doing that in software, but humans are still very good at it.
Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server
#244Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I've had the need for something like this for a long long time now. Note that there are a few projects like this one, for example Subsonic or Mopidy. (Funkywhale certainly looks nice though!)
Throwing this out here - Airsonic is the current FOSS iteration of the software https://airsonic.github.io/ Subsonic went closed, and the rebrand to LibreSonic had some unrest with the maintainer, so Airsonic is leading the way in the line of *Sonics.
Or if you want something that can run easily on a RaspberryPi but still gives you Subsonic compatibility, try https://github.com/sentriz/gonic
Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server
#245Wish I would've known about this before I spent hours and hours transferring my GMusic library to Plex on a rpi in my house. Oh well, I'm too lazy to change again. Gonna stick with Plex for now.
Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server
#246I really like this. It seems like the federated model is gaining traction among the decentralized community (Mastadon, peertube..) but I'd love to get to the point where self-hosting is as accessible to internet users as signing up.
My vision for music (and other things) sharing is your personal library is on your personal private server, and you can give access to whoever you want individually. Now your streaming source is your library and your friends library--and if a friend likes one of your tracks they can "save" it to their library and give access to their friends.
I've been trying to build this for status updates (like a Facebook alternative) as a simple private blog+rss[1] that's easy to self-host (raspberry PI or AWS) but I can see a world where everyone has their own server enabling an amazing multitude of distributed usage--music sharing, personal restaurant recomendations, the ability to post and share things with only your friends without a mega-corp in between is a future I would get really excited about.
Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server
#247"Hi, we're Funkwhale. We use cool words like decentralized, self-hosted, music, server, and of course, funk & whale. If we named it more honestly, then our defunding of musicians and creatives that depended on sales wouldn't get any love (not publicly anyway), plus the ethically vacant developers would have to work on it secretly. And to be sure, we ourselves do not create or rely on income from artistic endeavours,…
> ...as people convince themselves digital theft is somehow not to be equated to physical theft. Do you honestly thing the two are in any way equivalent? If I steal a physical item from you, you no longer have that item. If I download a copyrighted item that I never would have purchased, and you are entitled to royalties from then you lose nothing. If I download 100 items and I otherwise would have bought 5% of them,…
Like many arguments defending wholesale sharing, they start at the end products and look forward, instead of being even a tiny bit cognisant of the process by which those items came to be.
The thinking is along the lines of, look at this car and look at this mp3, they're so different. But obviously they share important similarities, those being that both needed ingenious human thought plus plenty of physical objects for them to come into existence. True, how they are sold is another question. How they are received. How are they shared. How they function. What is their purpose?
Let's swap funkwhale to carwhale - yes, I can, because one day in the future, we will be able to push a button and have an exact copy of any car just by pointing a scanner at it. Suppose you worked on that car, all your life, in the hope others could enjoy it, and love it the way you have. And if you got it right, might be compensated for your time and efforts.
But no, this is not in the future because everything should be free. Everything? Or just the mp3s? Just digital? Who's going to make that music? Or that car? Or perform your heart op?
Most people, sadly here, are not respectful of creativity and its worth, I feel its more important than that car. And throughout history culture has been the most important aspect of any society; its strength and survival depend on it.
Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server
#248Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m guessing when people purchase the music as it’s not a streaming service. With that said, it appears there is the ability to share music socially - which seems like p2p sharing.
> With that said, it appears there is the ability to share music socially - which seems like p2p sharing. Which is fine as there is plenty of music that is allowed to be shared free.
That wasn’t their question. We all get that there is music available to be freely distributed.
Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server
#249Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We have an ethical responsibility to refuse to work on software that will negatively impact the well-being of other people. Such as creating a platform for people to listen to music for free by sharing it with others without paying the artist?
Does BitTorrent fall under that? Or YouTube? Plex? Google Drive?
BitTorrent, yes.
YouTube, no. They take down videos with copyrighted material.
Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server
#250Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We have an ethical responsibility to refuse to work on software that will negatively impact the well-being of other people. Such as creating a platform for people to listen to music for free by sharing it with others without paying the artist?
You can also say it benefits the artist because it makes it easier to listen to them, which incentivises people to give them money to support them. This is more or less the entire model of Bandcamp.
Source?