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McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Post by taffer »

mike_d wrote: post #237
dragonwriter wrote: post #101

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> The majority of the 10 year funding bill went to SNAP (food stamps). That would only rebut the claim being made if there was an analysis that SNAP spending + other subsidies did not result in a majority of the total ending up with the meat and dairy industry. Its worth noting that even before they were configured into a poverty support program , food stamps were conceived of, and have always been (hence the involve…

Based on data from 2016 (the most recent I could find a good breakdown for): Corn $2.1B, Soybeans $1.6B, Sugar $1.5B, Cotton $950M, Wheat $603M, Oranges $435M, Livestock $367M, Hay/Feed $240M

> Corn $2.1B, Soybeans $1.6B

Almost all of this is turned into animal feed or fuel.

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Post by PretzelPirate »

NewOrderNow wrote: post #238
dandare wrote: post #214

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The appeal of vegan pizza is that no animals were industrially farmed to make it. If you think your cheese is suffering free you are lying to yourself.

It is more the concept of wanting something you claim to not want by making a fake version of it. Just eat vegan products? It seems like a cognitive dissonance when I see the words vegan and burger together.

But vegans want burgers, they just don’t want to kill an animal for that burger. This is no different than someone making a turkey burger because they don’t like beef.

For some reason, only vegans get called out for making substitutions.

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Post by moab »

coryfklein wrote: post #217
dandare wrote: post #214

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The appeal of vegan pizza is that no animals were industrially farmed to make it. If you think your cheese is suffering free you are lying to yourself.

> you are lying to yourself. Gee well that's a rather bold statement. I find this attitude of "if you're not vegan you're a liar" so insufferable. I can think of at least a few explanations for the parent comment. "If you think your cheese is suffering free..." 1. You may be underinformed 2. You've purchased free range dairy products 3. You know something I don't

Well, if you take the time to learn about dairy farming (even in free range dairy farms), you would quickly find out that cows have a natural lifespan of ~20 years, but cows used in dairy farms have an average lifespan of ~6 years. From the perspective of giving entities that we believe are probably conscious and probably feel suffering and pain a fair chance at life, minimizing the amount of dairy and cheese we consume would seem like a good idea. I'm looking forward to a world where lab-grown cheese substitutes are as good as (or better) than the real thing.

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Post by mike_d »

boruto wrote: post #91
Nbox9 wrote: post #58

I think it’ll be a big win when plant-based burgers are cheaper than animal based burgers. From a raw ingredients standpoint plant based food should almost always be cheaper than animal based food because the costs associated with farming plants is lower than the costs associated with farming animals. Hopefully, with McDonald’s scale and with their vertical integration they can make affordable, tasty, and comparably…

You should visit india. Vegetarian food is always a bit cheaper than meat and poultry.

Over half of under-5 child mortality in India is the result of malnutrition, and half the children under 3 are below a healthy weight. The WHO has citied not only insufficient food, but also a substandard diet.

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

ha4fsd3fas wrote: post #146
markdown wrote: post #141

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What is the appeal of a vegan pizza? Is it even pizza without cheese?

The appeal is the same as a Vegan burger. If you mimic cheese well enough then why would it not be a pizza?

To be fair, I don't expect vegan burgers to mimic meat any more than I expect chicken to taste of beef. I just need it to taste good and have good texture, staying together when in the pan or on the grill and do well in the bun. I also can't quite remember what most meat tastes like, honestly.

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

golemotron wrote: post #209
bane wrote: post #166

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Lifelong meat eater here. I'm really happy about this news and hope it sticks over the long-run. These new plant-based burgers are basically zero penalty ways to eat more responsibly. They taste about as good as the normal "ok" burger from FastFoodJoint(TM), cost about the same, and are less worse for the planet and everybody on it. It's also more accepting for people who have various dietary restrictions and opens u…

> It's also more accepting for people who have various dietary restrictions Except for those on a ketogenic diet.

Just because this particular item isn't something for folks on a particular diet doesn't disprove the claim. It still is more accepting for people who have various dietary restrictions.

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coryfklein wrote: post #217
dandare wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The appeal of vegan pizza is that no animals were industrially farmed to make it. If you think your cheese is suffering free you are lying to yourself.

> you are lying to yourself. Gee well that's a rather bold statement. I find this attitude of "if you're not vegan you're a liar" so insufferable. I can think of at least a few explanations for the parent comment. "If you think your cheese is suffering free..." 1. You may be underinformed 2. You've purchased free range dairy products 3. You know something I don't

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Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Post by MiguelHudnandez »

wodenokoto wrote: post #180
MiguelHudnandez wrote: post #120

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US vegans will not be partaking any time soon. McDonalds still uses beef and milk along with oil for the fries. In other counties I believe McDonalds uses vegetable oil for the fries.

> along with oil for the fries. They use vegetable oil in the US. The reason why McDonald fries are not vegan is due to the flavoring, not the oil. From https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/product/small-french-frie... > French Fries > Ingredients: Potatoes, Vegetable Oil (canola Oil, Corn Oil, Soybean Oil, Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Natural Beef Flavor [wheat And Milk Derivatives] ), Dextrose, Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate…

Thanks for the clarity! I did not write that very well. Didn't mean to imply that is was something other than vegetable oil plus some animal-based seasonings.

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Post by telchar »

spacephysics wrote: post #172
Nbox9 wrote: post #58

I think it’ll be a big win when plant-based burgers are cheaper than animal based burgers. From a raw ingredients standpoint plant based food should almost always be cheaper than animal based food because the costs associated with farming plants is lower than the costs associated with farming animals. Hopefully, with McDonald’s scale and with their vertical integration they can make affordable, tasty, and comparably…

Not so fast with the health talk. Vegetable oils are most likely carcinogenic, amid other health issues (GI, heart) [0]. Red meat is not [1] Further, these fake meats, Impossible Burger namely, have been linked to kidney failure in mice studies [2] (one commissioned by the Impossible Foods manufacturer). In particular: " * A rat feeding study commissioned by the manufacturer Impossible Foods found that rats fed SLH […

To be fair, your first link doesn't say that vegerable oils are bad for you. It just says that the Omega-6 fatty acids in them, if not balanced out by additional Omega-3s from other sources, cause health problems. So vegetable oils aren't inherently unhealthy and can be consumed without problems as long as the need for Omega-3 is respected.

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Post by adtac »

coryfklein wrote: post #217
dandare wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The appeal of vegan pizza is that no animals were industrially farmed to make it. If you think your cheese is suffering free you are lying to yourself.

> you are lying to yourself. Gee well that's a rather bold statement. I find this attitude of "if you're not vegan you're a liar" so insufferable. I can think of at least a few explanations for the parent comment. "If you think your cheese is suffering free..." 1. You may be underinformed 2. You've purchased free range dairy products 3. You know something I don't

>2. You've purchased free range dairy products

Free range or not, cows still need to be artificially inseminated (read: industry term to fancy dress "cow rape"), the calves still need to be weaned off after only a few weeks with their mothers (once the colostrum part is over) and/or be given formula milk substitute while humans drink what's rightfully the calf's. Leaving the calf with the cow is absolutely not profitable. Also, the mother cow needs to be culled after only 5-6 years of living because they cannot bear children after that; cows naturally live for up to 20 years. Free range cows still end up in the same slaughter house, so you're indirectly funding the beef industry. Oh, and by the way, if the calf is a male, it's killed right away or sold to the veal industry.

It's disgusting and cruel regardless of how much space the cow had to roam in; every other aspect of its life was miserable. Not knowing this is okay, but if you're reading this and the sibling comments, you really have no excuse any more.

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