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Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by JungleGymSam »

Arthanos wrote: post #189
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #103

If I was a Twitter or Facebook investor, I have one question: What did you expect was going to happen? Honestly. Did nobody have the foresight at Facebook or Twitter to think that this wouldn't blow up? Did nobody think, just once, that this might invite regulatory action or be in news headlines? And if honestly nobody thought this might happen, I'd want the entire management and "safety" team replaced for having no…

This post has a very odd tone, as if a private company enforcing their policy to remove unverified & leaked personal correspondence of a private citizen is some unquestionable moral wrongdoing that's apparently going to blow up. Surprised to see this as at the top, on HN. National Review is a conservative wing-nut website trying to turn this non-story into fuel for their censorship culture war.

So sayeth Arthanos!

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by rabuse »

blhack wrote: post #234
Arthanos wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This post has a very odd tone, as if a private company enforcing their policy to remove unverified & leaked personal correspondence of a private citizen is some unquestionable moral wrongdoing that's apparently going to blow up. Surprised to see this as at the top, on HN. National Review is a conservative wing-nut website trying to turn this non-story into fuel for their censorship culture war.

Did twitter censor all stories regarding the claim that Trump paid $750 in taxes? In case the point I’m making isn’t obvious: the NYT never published their source for that, and still haven’t. If twitter is removing stories for having dubious sources, then that story should not pass muster either. If they’re removing stories for having “hacked” (or in the case of both this story about Hunter Biden, or Trumps taxes: “l…

Exactly, and it's now spouted as a "fact" in multiple online communities I frequent.

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Post by mullingitover »

remarkEon wrote: post #192
tootie wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're also declaring a "smoking gun" of Hunter peddling influence when the only data point is an email from a Ukrainian to Hunter saying that he was looking forward to meeting the Vice President. There doesn't seem to be any message from Hunter, and Joe has already said his official schedule is public record and no meeting ever happened.

What's amusing about this whole thing to me is that Facebook and Twitter dropping the ban hammer on this piece will Streisand the hell out of it. If they'd left it alone, it would've been lost in the news cycle with everything else going on and no one would remember it in a week. Now the story is, once again, "Big Tech censors conservatives".

It's already lost in the news cycle. Not trending on twitter. Impotently reverberating on Parler.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by kthxbye123 »

drcongo wrote: post #55
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's different because it was written by a major American newspaper. Twitter should not be exercising editorial control over the news.

Is the NY Post considered a serious newspaper over there?

No, it's universally considered a far-right tabloid, similar to the Daily Mail or the Sun in the UK.

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Post by Karunamon »

runarberg wrote: post #239
michannne wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We live in a country where we have elected officials and laws to deal with individuals and organizations that undermine our democracy. I don't need some random collective of people headquarted in a random state to decide those things for me.

> We live in a country where we have elected officials and laws to deal with individuals and organizations that undermine our democracy. This is not entirely true. I’m not sure what the law is on slander (which would be the law in question here, I believe), and if social media companies would be breaking the law if they allow slander to be distributed on their platform. But regardless if it turns out that the story i…

Social media companies would not be breaking the law in this case, because of section 230. The slandered party can seek a court order to compel the disclosure of the poster's identity and sue them directly, and another to get the slanderous post yanked, but the platform is explicitly immune.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by 9HZZRfNlpR »

aeortiz wrote: post #149
donatj wrote: post #118

But they didn't block stories about Trump's stolen tax returns? Is there any sort of non-political justification?

because they could be verified.

But twitters response was they don't allow "hacked materials" so it's bs.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by mullingitover »

collective-intl wrote: post #58
bgorman wrote: post #25

The fact that this article is flagged is alarming. This is a relevant news story directly related to how technology companies influence public perception. Like it or not, the New York Post is a widely distributed newspaper in the US. Once the precedent for censoring a newspaper has been established there is nothing stopping facebook for censoring more "upscale" conservative newspapers like the WaLl Street Journal or…

+1 I don't know why you are being downvoted, I think HN's flagging system is another way we are being censored. Just this summer, I remember multiple articles with important, true contributions to our understanding of covid that got flagged. We are losing the ability to consider multiple sides of an issue.

When one side says it's raining and the other says it's sunny, it's not 'losing the ability to consider multiple sides of an issue' when you look outside and report to the public that one side is lying.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by extropy »

michannne wrote: post #186
runarberg wrote: post #133

Just step back a little and consider the alternatives here. NYP is pretty obviously smearing for a major civil event here, a civil event that has the potential of causing serious harm to the second largest democracy in the world. If the social media companies would just allow this smearing to go unhindered, they are basically saying: “We don’t care if bad actors use our platform to undermine our democracy,” which is…

We live in a country where we have elected officials and laws to deal with individuals and organizations that undermine our democracy. I don't need some random collective of people headquarted in a random state to decide those things for me.

Things are changing. If last 4 years has shown us anything, it's that we cannot control the "news" anymore.

There needs to be a new solution. And this is a step towards that. Might be the wrong step...

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

tootie wrote: post #79
djsumdog wrote: post #35

Facebook, Twitter, Reddit et. al. are now in Orwell's land of "Ministry of Truth" .. they are telling the people what is reliable "news" and what is not. It's getting pretty insane out there.

That's only true if they are doing it in bad faith. And if they were controlling information at the source. You can still easily find this story on nypost.com. I agree this is dangerous territory for Twitter, but it's 100% within their rights to do so. They can censor content completely arbitrarily if they want. Consumers will vote with their feet. Either they like this or they don't.

>That's only true if they are doing it in bad faith.

Every tyrant ever thought they were doing what was good. Nobody ever does bad things just to be evil. They do them because they honestly believe the end justifies the means. We tend to give a pass to actions taken toward ends we agree with. Everybody is the hero of their own story. Nobody is acting in bad faith. They just believe that based on the information they have and their experience that the course they are choosing is correct. Those guys firing AGTMS at each other in the videos we get out of Syria are all trying to create a better world for the next generation. They just happen to disagree on the details.

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