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Japan’s lost generation is still jobless and living with their parents

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>Under Katsube’s direction, Junko also enrolled in a program that helps shut-ins learn social skills by engaging in activities such as gardening, music, sports, and volunteering. America desperately needs this. I fear the rise of social media has caused more and more people to stay inside all day without interacting with any real humans. I've found Meetup to work very well for getting out of the house. I did find it…

>America desperately needs this So why the finger pointing like all the other commenters on HN? Go out and fix it! If this problem could be solved with some NOSQL, a Raspberry PI, and soldering, this forum would collectively rally behind the solution. But suddenly when a problem is deemed "social" our hands go in the air and it's not in my backyard? We're both techies, myself I'm pivoting my career into psychology 5…

I'm sure you were just intended to be encouraging, but posts like this, telling other people what to do with a tinge of moralizing, are crossing into personal attack. Please err on the side of avoiding that here.

The problem is that there's usually a 1000x discrepancy between how a comment appears to the person making it vs. the person receiving it. Comments in the rear-view mirror are much larger than they appear!

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Re: Japan’s lost generation is still jobless and living with their parents

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What does it mean to be "10 years behind the western world" ? Are they behind in technology, values, policy? Can you give some examples? I'm not disagreeing with you, just curious for more info. (I don't know much about Japan myself.)

I've been working in the computer graphics field for 25-years, the last 10 of which (and currently) have been in Japan. Before I got here 10-years ago, I had visions of Japanese studios having cutting-edge tools, all built in-house, created to automate tasks, making production efficient. I was extremely disappointed. I understand that Japan has a reputation of being at the forefront of technology and, while the manuf…

you should turn this into a blog post. this is a very interesting take.

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I was thinking before Corona, last year was very good for me. Once you realize social media is mostly fake validation seeking behavior you can decide if that's what you want . Ends up being tons of stress and mental anguish for nothing at all. I'll say without a doubt people are absolutely meaner via social media vs real life. I recall when I lived in Chicago how everyone in certain areas knew each other. Act like a…

what are some good meetup for young folks? i find it hard to meet new people when i move to new city like seattle or sf

Anything you want to do.

Generic going out meetups tend to be very strange, and socially awkward.

Before Corona hit I would go to tech meetups and board gaming meetups. I'd specifically warn against going to a Meetup thinking that you're going to get anything out of it aside from just enjoying the Meetup itself.

With that in mind, I happen to meet a nice girl last year after asking if she was there for the meetup. She wasn't , but she took my number down and we enjoyed each other's company.

But if you're looking at meetups in your area, and you're imagining which one's going to be the best, to meet someone you're not going to have a good time . You'll be so focused on that, you won't enjoy yourself.

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What about Japan seems like the future? Maybe you should try Singapore or many of the big cities in China. Singapore's architecture looks far more in the future than anything in Japan at this point. So do many other more modern Asian cities. China has lots of poverty but the big cities are far further along in their switch to digital than Japan. It was a big deal during lockdown that so much of Japan's government run…

I've lived for multiple years in Singapore, Shanghai and Hong Kong. I think they're all great. For the sake of argument, I'll try to keep this about Tokyo, but a key observation of mine is that _all_ of Japan is like this. Objectively, Tokyo has the lowest pollution. Singapore is close, on average, but it can have awful week-long spikes. Tokyo has the lowest crime rate. Again, Singapore is basically the same, but it…

Singapore is boring, the whole place seems like a plastic copy of whatever the original is. Tokyo has its own culture and vibe and it shows, it is just much more fun. Every day in Tokyo you can discover new things, in Singapore the only thing you discover is another international food franchise. So apart from all the technicalities those are not even comparable places.

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I wonder how much the stories about Japanese unemployment are just driven the the need for a good story vs. looking at actual figures. The Japanese labor force participation rate for 15-64 year-olds rose from about 70% in 1990 to 79% in 2020, as estimated by the International Labour Organization. In that time frame, it overtook China and the US (both have falling labor force participation rates) and the only other co…

The participation rate is a really coarse measure. In Japan, it has increased mainly because among the younger generation, far more women stay in the workforce after their 20s. But as the article describes, their career prospects are very limited and few of them ever get a chance at stable lifetime employment that used to be the norm (but is also becoming less and less available) for men.

The male labor force participation rate grew from 83% to 86%. So although the increase was greater for women (from 57% to 72%), that hasn't reduced male employment.

Male https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SL.TLF.ACTI.MA.ZS?locat...

Female https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SL.TLF.ACTI.FE.ZS?locat...

By "stable lifetime employment" do you mean staying at a single company for one's whole working life? Do you have any statistics showing that this is decreasing? (Even if it does, I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.)

Re: Japan’s lost generation is still jobless and living with their parents

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I feel like the "Jobless and living with parents" pejorative is missing the mark. Jobless -- So what? If a country has figured out how to provide for its people w/o jobs, so what? For example if we had perfect AI-robot slaves we'd all be jobless. Would it be a problem? Maybe we should ask people why they want a job, maybe what they want to do doesnt require one? "Living with their parents" - Again, so what? Much of t…

What about when your parents die and your jobless and parentless?

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What sorts of dreams can you follow when you are broke? I mean, realistically? And creative endeavors - how are your affording these things? Are your hobbies cheap? Does the stress of non-work bother you? Were you lucky enough to have decent compensation when you were unemployed or have someone else to support you? How in the world do you "go on benefits" if you are able-bodied? Are you in a country where benefits me…

Poverty would be fine if I had the chance to work on what I want to work on. All I need is a computer for my work. I could work on mathematics, physics, I could write a novel. I could read academic papers day in day out, gorge on information. It would be wonderful.

In other words: Yes, your hobby is cheap. You only have to buy a computer every once in a while, though you'll run into trouble the moment it gets too out of date or breaks. Poverty doesn't allow you to replace such things.

Lots of hobbies require investment. I do art: more specifically, draw and paint, both of which require supplies. My mother sews, but that requires material and making a shirt is more expensive than buying it unless you get material, thread, and things for free. Spouse makes music: Some guitars eat strings and synths take space and electricity (not to mention the cost: Used synths are still expensive).

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