Indian IT consultancies struggle against technological obsolescence

Post by TheColorYellow » Sat, Jul 25, 2020, 5:44 AM UTC

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You see this everywhere in the world. I've worked with a huge number of Americans who went to school for anything but computing, would rather be doing anything but computing, but realized that a six-week crash course in web development would literally quadruple their salary. Many of them go on to embrace computing, many of them turn out to be good developers, and some even become passionate, but they all start out by…

Difference is, a lot of these people wouldn't get jobs as junior devs in the west, and if they did, there just wouldn't be so many "natural" opportunities to move into management. Whereas in India, the big outsourcing firms need such a large quantity of people every year, that thousands upon thousands are hired and placed in junior dev or test roles. And because these orgs are so large, there are many layers of middl…

Post by AmericanChopper » Sat, Jul 25, 2020, 5:56 AM UTC

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if one is looking for $10-20 hourly developer, certainly the result will likely be what you've experienced. Big IT Indian firms usually will choose one or two highly talented developers for a project team and others just hop around them. Usually these projects aren't also very engineering-intensive and becomes boring once the base framework is created for creative folks. Good devs don't stay longer in a company at le…

When developing nations that are primarily known for their cheap products start creating competitive high quality products what happens is that they start charging just as much as every other developed nation. That same dynamic plays out with Indian software developers. If they can deliver X amount of value they can also charge X for their service. This means if you hire an Indian for $10 an hour you're going to get…

Post by viig99 » Sat, Jul 25, 2020, 6:24 AM UTC

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"As an Indian"

You can be Indian and still be wrong about aspects of your country. In GPs case, he was generalizing too much about Indian universities.

Post by pickle-wizard » Sat, Jul 25, 2020, 6:50 AM UTC

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I recently joined a company where my main task is to modernise a business critical application built and supported by Wipro over ten years ago. Everything is still on .Net 3.0 (first released in 2007), and despite hundreds of pages of documentation the developers seem to have little understanding of what the application actually does for the business. The impression I have is that their business model is geared towar…

The truest saying in software is that the highest value output of a project is an engineering team that understands your business. Past a certain point of size/complexity you can't buy one of those for any price, you have to make it. Outsourcing turns an investment opportunity into an expense.

Post by dejv » Sat, Jul 25, 2020, 7:09 AM UTC

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20 USD/hour is not what developer earns, but what you pay for developer time. Overhead (buildings, managers, computers, toilet paper), sales commissions, taxes, and off time and eats big big part of that money.

I've seen rate cards for quite a few bpo providers and major it body shops, and unless it's like an extreme case (Chennai and one or two other cities), the devs are getting slightly less than 10% of their billed rate, the rest being overhead. Hell, I look at the delta between what my firm bills me out for and what I take home, and it's about 12% of my fully loaded day rate.