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Post by tsimionescu »

ordu wrote: post #227
msla wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can we have opinions on our clothes without having to give every random person on the Internet a full justification? Yes, which is why I'm suspicious of people who make dictates and maxims about fashion. My point is that those maxims were created by people who have an obvious incentive to sell you more things, and having you supplement pants with carrying bags would benefit them. We must also take unconscious racis…

> We must also take unconscious racism and classism into account when judging the fashion dictates of others: "Big pockets make it look like you work for a living! We must therefore shun big pockets!" is not exactly value-neutral. No, we must not. The only thing fashion miss is ideological foundations, then it'd take just one more step for it to make following fashion mandatory for everyone with legal repercussions f…

Well, there are actually many countries with legal repercussions for following the wrong fashion, especially for women. Even in Europe and the USA, many kinds of clothes we wear today would have likely been considered indecent and could have gotten the police involved, if worn on the streets 100 or so years ago.

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Post by dragonwriter »

> So I made a pair of trousers with no pockets at the waist, and a pair of welt pockets at the side seams, right at that point.

Weirdly, the pictures pants are not slim jeans, thought that was the motivating problem. They look like not particularly slim khakis.

The pocket location is also quite similar to the low-profile cargo pocket location on some of the 5.11 Tactical pants that are designed for unobtrusive utility, addressing a somewhat similar problem space (useful pockets in relatively slim pants.) So, I'm not sure there is really an innovative solution here

But, like most middle-to-upper class fashion for centuries, the driving force between the popularity of skinny jeans is the ostentatious sacrifice of utility because the need for useful clothing is a marker of proletarian status. And the signalling is as much to the wearer as outside observers, so I'm not sure there's going to be a mass market demand for this.

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Post by dan-robertson »

bscphil wrote: post #191
groby_b wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we have opinions on our clothes without having to give every random person on the Internet a full justification? Why yes, yes we can. But, OK, let's answer it. The first answer is right in the fine article: Hip pockets lead to bad posture when sitting. They cause back pain. The second answer is that if you dress for aesthetic instead of functional reasons, one of the very first concerns is silhouette. And if you…

> The second answer is that if you dress for aesthetic instead of functional reasons, one of the very first concerns is silhouette. See, I think you've missed what everyone in this thread is trying to get at. The defense of cargo pants is based on a pretty simple dialectic: · Who determines what is fashionable or "aesthetic"? Mostly, the people who design, sell, and advertise clothes. And also, people who directly pr…

I really struggle to believe that there’s some secret cabal of garment manufacturers conspiring to decide what modifications of their clothes will be desirable in the next season. One reason is that the industry is competitive and mostly full of low margins. If you collude with (some of) your competitors to sell the same thing then your market becomes both smaller and more competitive. Another is that fashion changes don’t necessarily benefit the companies who were previously doing well. I doubt that most of the jeans manufacturers would have wanted leggings to have become so popular, for example.

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Post by Tyr42 »

jessewmc wrote: post #55

The dismissiveness in this thread is unreal. From the comments you'd think the article only had one sentence insulting the Sanctity of Cargo Pants. If you happily wear baggy jeans or cargo pants, these are not for you and you don't have the problem they solve. It's an elegant solution to wear slim fitted pants without awful hip pocket bulges. Cargo pants are not the solution here, as they are huge and baggy and the p…

I actually had a pair of shorts with a small pocket in around that spot, and I liked putting my phone in there. I can totally get behind this idea, though I'd like to try these first.

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Post by Tyr42 »

js2 wrote: post #121
GuB-42 wrote: post #115

Cargo pants are not the only pants with side pockets. I suggest that you take a look at hiking pants. Hiking clothing is my preferred kind, even if I am not hiking. Here are some arguments: - They tend to look neutral. Not flashy like other kind of sportswear, and not as obvious as cargo pants. - They are comfortable, reasonably durable, and low maintenance. They are made for hiking after all. - They tend to have ple…

A couple examples: https://www.prana.com/p/stretch-zion-straight/M43189927.html https://www.patagonia.com/product/mens-quandary-hiking-pants...

Hey, that first link has pockets near where this post is talking about.

> Angled dual entry cargo pocket

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

noman-land wrote: post #210

Guys, I'm sorry to tell you this, but you look like a dork in cargo pants, and everyone knows it but you.

What utility does your attempt at shanking people for their manner of dress serve? Aren't you showing that you're a less useful part of society by doing that?

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Post by gwid0n »

Personal anecdote:

I've lost around 20kg 2 years ago and were able to fit into a nice pair of slim jeans I used to wear in high school (around mid 00's). I've always carried my wallet in a left hand pocket and my phone+headphones in a right hand pocket. I couldn't fit any modern smartphone into the right hand pocket - the pocket was too short and your phone sticked out of the pocket all the time.

Kinda interesting, how the spread of modern computer devices changed a little detail in mass market fashion design.

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Post by Waterfall »

There are exercise pants for women that have a transparent tight netting/mesh on the legs that run the entire length, and are tight against the skin. I think they are much better for objects that are not rigid.
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