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Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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Yes, it's definitely time for some slightly enhanced armchair activism! Convert all active whatsapp contacts to signal? 80%? 50%? Same for Facebook messenger! It needs to be uncomfortable enough - if they want to communicate with us and are minimally tech savvy ("click link to install app") they have to switch to signal . That's it. I'm starting to send out messages over my morning coffee. Let's do this together: htt…

I’d rather keep using messenger than switch to signal. Nothing that requires my phone number, and even worse, uses it as primary identifier, is something I want to switch to (and no, obviously I don’t use Whatsapp either). I realize that in this mobile-centric world that makes me a grumpy old man, but for me, my E-Mail is the important ID.

They're working on being able to use it without a phone number, though doing so in a privacy-friendly way is forcing them to overcome some challenges first: https://twitter.com/moxie/status/1281353119369097217

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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Yes, it's definitely time for some slightly enhanced armchair activism! Convert all active whatsapp contacts to signal? 80%? 50%? Same for Facebook messenger! It needs to be uncomfortable enough - if they want to communicate with us and are minimally tech savvy ("click link to install app") they have to switch to signal . That's it. I'm starting to send out messages over my morning coffee. Let's do this together: htt…

I've been converting people to signal for years, I've got everyone in my life to switch except for my parents and 2 coworkers.

To switch, or to use it? Many people I know contact me through Signal, but their primary means of communication still definitely is WhatsApp, and they'll have to consciously remember to open their install of Signal to contact me.

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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The same kind of thing happened today with Spotify's application on iOS and this also happened about a month ago too. I am surprised that regression testing tools aren't picking up these issues before they push these updates out to user's devices

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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Waze, a google owned app for the past 4 years, crashes because of the FB app. WhatsApp, a Facebook owned app, will not give you read access to your own chat database - it’s encrypted. But they have an arrangement with Google where it’s will back up unencrypted to your Google account (though, Google won’t let you retrieve it ... only the WhatsApp app can) Everything about this duopoly, their cooperation and lack of co…

I really wanted to like Signal and switch, but it seems to require a phone #. Are you OK with tying private conversations to an identifiable ID or did you find a work around?

They're working on that: https://twitter.com/moxie/status/1281353119369097217

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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Also, you can't migrate WhatsApp between iPhone and Android. There's a utility called BackupTrans, which follows an extremely convoluted process including a step where they install an old version of WhatsApp. It seemed to work but it trips some wire and WhatsApp put me in an hour-long timeout state, twice. Since I very much depend on WhatsApp, I dare not use it anymore.

You can still download the history as a text file though - I did that.

Not in Germany: https://faq.whatsapp.com/android/chats/how-to-save-your-chat...

Don't ask me what's leading WhatsApp's legal department to believe that this feature doesn't comply with German privacy laws. It's quite puzzling. (I would've rather expected a feature like this to be mandated by EU laws.)

As of now, there's no non-hacky way of exporting chats for German users. (Hacky ways include: dubious third-party software, copying each message individually, taking screenshots.)

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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Waze, a google owned app for the past 4 years, crashes because of the FB app. WhatsApp, a Facebook owned app, will not give you read access to your own chat database - it’s encrypted. But they have an arrangement with Google where it’s will back up unencrypted to your Google account (though, Google won’t let you retrieve it ... only the WhatsApp app can) Everything about this duopoly, their cooperation and lack of co…

I really wanted to like Signal and switch, but it seems to require a phone #. Are you OK with tying private conversations to an identifiable ID or did you find a work around?

I'm ok with tying some conversations to phone #. Others, not so much

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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The most popular apps on one of the most popular operating systems just plainly don't even open. What has this industry become? How are we so goddamn inept at writing software? This is an industry where we can automate testing - not many other industries have this capability - and we still don't have a simple test regime of "check if the app opens" for any of those apps. Somehow, at the most valuable software compani…

The apps are broken serverside by Facebook. No amount of testing (automated or not) on the side of the app developers would have prevented this. Facebook's own apps did not break since they are on the latest version of FBSDK. What Facebook needs to do is to test whether their changes don't break other people's apps.

I disagree. While, yes, Facebook needs to test their SDK, app developers need to build resiliency into their apps to ensure third party dependencies don’t break their app. The developer adopted it into their app; it’s their responsibility to do the proper checks in cases like these where Facebook broke things on their end.

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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Stop using facebook's garbage! Or if you must, use their oauth flow and API but _don't_ include code of theirs you don't control directly in your binary. It's just asking for trouble. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23099788

And then FB will ban your app.

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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I’d rather keep using messenger than switch to signal. Nothing that requires my phone number, and even worse, uses it as primary identifier, is something I want to switch to (and no, obviously I don’t use Whatsapp either). I realize that in this mobile-centric world that makes me a grumpy old man, but for me, my E-Mail is the important ID.

I’m curious why you see a difference between the two? Phone companies have been giving away your phone number for years, it gets more spam then my email address at this point, which has made me disable it for all incoming calls except those in my contacts. At this point, none of us even use phones, my family pretty much use Zoom and at work everything is Google Meet, my phone function is basically a dead function at…

I don't truly own my phone number. I barely control it. I can move it from provider to provider, kind of, but it's still not _my_ number – the number is a side effect of having cell service. In particular, if I move to a new country, what happens to my phone number? (Having recently done so, I still don't know: for now, I'm paying two cellphone bills, but that's obviously not a long-term solution, and I don't know what is. Port it to Twilio, I guess.)

You can make the argument that I don't truly “owns” the domain name off of which my e-mail address hangs, either, but it's a much better situation than phone number ownership. There, at least, the constraints of ownership (rental) are clearly defined, as is my ability to move it between registrars.

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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While Spotify crashing on launch may be a nuisance, this also affects life-critical apps crashing on launch. Our forensic analysis [1] found that half of the top 21 iOS safety apps send data to Facebook, and last time this happened back in May we spot-checked some of these safety apps and they were all crashing on launch. The SDK is typically included for ad attribution/tracking, not Facebook login, so it wouldn’t ev…

I've installed dozens of life-safety-critical services and none of them had ads or the Facebook SDK for very good reasons. AMA.
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