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Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by no_multitudes »

SpelingBeeChamp wrote: post #159
Uehreka wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s one thing to say “given there will be crime, and some criminals are violent, cops may have to be violent sometimes to stop criminals”. That’s a pretty bloodless analysis. Let’s get to the fun part: “if cops perceive someone to be a criminal, how violent will we allow them to be, relative to how violent the perceived criminal is?” In the case of the cops assaulting that vigil for Elijah McClain (it was a peaceful…

Serious question: do you think that police officers should have to accept themselves to getting hurt as part of their job? Meaning, that it's actually an expectation the public has of police officers that they will get hurt if someone is fighting with them. To me, that seems like the inevitable consequence of not quickly taking control using decisive force. That's the issue I think exists with 1:1.1 response. It does…

Yes, obviously? Of course they are going to get hurt doing their job. A lot of their job involves performing odd manuevers in traffic, for example. Do you have a suggestion for how to do policework without police officers ever having to accept the possibility of getting hurt?

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by no_multitudes »

monocasa wrote: post #145
zaroth wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USA Today says that policing is the 18th most dangerous job in the US. What makes police injuries and deaths notable from other occupations is that “The most common cause of workplace fatalities among police officers is direct violence from other people”. It is not just a risky job in general, it is a risky job due to people that would intentionally do them harm, done in service of their community. Everyone is a regu…

I'd love to see where they got their data. Everything I've seen is that they're most likely to be killed in a self inflicted car accident.

It depends how you break up the stats. The total number of officers feloniously killed is a little higher than the number of accidental deaths for recent years, but motor vehicle crashes is typically the largest single category. https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2019/home

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by ciceryadam »

SpelingBeeChamp wrote: post #159
Uehreka wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s one thing to say “given there will be crime, and some criminals are violent, cops may have to be violent sometimes to stop criminals”. That’s a pretty bloodless analysis. Let’s get to the fun part: “if cops perceive someone to be a criminal, how violent will we allow them to be, relative to how violent the perceived criminal is?” In the case of the cops assaulting that vigil for Elijah McClain (it was a peaceful…

Serious question: do you think that police officers should have to accept themselves to getting hurt as part of their job? Meaning, that it's actually an expectation the public has of police officers that they will get hurt if someone is fighting with them. To me, that seems like the inevitable consequence of not quickly taking control using decisive force. That's the issue I think exists with 1:1.1 response. It does…

I would say that "quickly taking control using decisive force" is part of the problem, this approach is often escalating problems instead of deescalating them.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by SauciestGNU »

systemvoltage wrote: post #240
SauciestGNU wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think context is good and we should be wary of videos that have been edited to remove critical information. However, there is such a large corpus of evidence against the police in these protests, I have to wonder if the people asking for more context are doing so in good faith, or rather to argue for the innocence of the police. Having been personally on the receiving end of police violence during these protests, i…

One thing that comes to my mind (note: I do not support this view) but I am trying to put myself into the opposite party's shoes: - Listing videos of police brutality during protests without also listing videos of protestors brutally attacking the police perhaps creates a dissonance to the counter party? I think there have been a few incidents were cops were attacked but they are far and few between, but listing thos…

I really doubt there's more than a handful of instances in which protesters use violence against the police in a context that's not self-defense.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by obiye »

kgraves wrote: post #217
obiye wrote: post #38

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If they openly state their desires, that is the opposite of being hidden.

The point is, people should know that they are supporting an organisation that has Marxist leaders.

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Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by obiye »

Fellshard wrote: post #39
kgraves wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A BLM leader has openly admitted to being "trained marxists". [0] [1] [0] https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-founder-describes-herse... [1] https://youtu.be/HgEUbSzOTZ8?t=52 All of this from a Google search.

A BLM /leader/, plus the claims the organization itself makes.

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Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by ZeikJT »

readme wrote: post #232
seth_tr wrote: post #199

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I searched google for "police acknowledgement mistake" and several variations. The closest I could find was people calling for the police to acknowledge their mistakes. I can't find the police doing it themselves.

thanks for the due dilligence edit: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22police%20admit%20to%22 170,000 results

I think a better link is probably: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22police+admit+to%22&tbs=qd...

Though it doesn't give a number of results explicitly there are still several pages of results (though they'd need to be deduped)

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by overfl0w »

goto11 wrote: post #227
overfl0w wrote: post #225

Now all we need is a similar repo for the looting and memorial vandalism.

Wouldn't that be a job for the police? Their job is (lest we forget it) to prevent crime and enforce the law.

Sure but they are not in a public git repo and I think the public has the right to see the full story. The police are the easiest target right now but those people who take advantage on the riots to loot are kind of left out of sight.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by TouchyJoe »

matsemann wrote: post #123
downandout wrote: post #114

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I don't think any human, regardless of who they are, should be committing violence against any other human. You, and whoever else is downvoting this, are acting is if my comment is pro-police. It is not. It is pro-data. How can any reasonably intelligent person be against fact-based decision making?

No, it's just enlightened centrism. Where one put two things that shouldn't be compared against each other, and then dismiss the core issue by saying "see, both sides are just as bad".

The middle-ground between two arbitrary positions is the truth. For example the optimal society is in the middle of fascism and monarchy...NOT!
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