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Post by chooseaname »

dijit wrote: post #201
ikeyany wrote: post #192

People are wondering "How far does this go? How can Twitter say this is not cool, but allow something like violent movies or games? Where's the line?" The leader of the United States encouraging law enforcement and the military to shoot American citizens for looting, that's the line.

We have laws in the UK that curtail speech like that, "Inciting violence" is a crime. Which I agree with to some extent, you're not innocent of a crime because you convinced a person to harm another, just because you were too cowardly to get your hands dirty yourself. But the US is rather famously not British, so I'm not sure if it's a relevant thing to add to the discussion.

People in the US will say the First allows him say such things. They'd be wrong.

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Post by metalgearsolid3 »

illuminated wrote: post #183

I know it is "never too late" for things like this to happen, but it's definitely late. One of the main reasons for bad things to happen is the lack of education (which, in turn, leads to resist to change) and, therefore makes people prone to believe to unbelievable things. Social platforms like Twitter should have long had things like "fact checking" ANY statements and should have restricting not only violence glori…

I disagree that Twitter has been missing "fact checking". Instead I think the problem was bots.

Take an obviously absurd political viewpoint, which nowadays has to be really absurd. Here's an example: Tom Cruise should be president of the United States. Scientology will make America great again.

Sounds pretty fucking absurd, right? But throw in 50 million bots on Twitter and Instagram pretending to be Americans who think Tom Cruise should be president, and now your once absurd view point simply becomes "the other side of the aisle." It's of course all fake.

Unfortunately this exploits the minds of otherwise kind hearted people that do really want to give you a chance to hear you out. It is how democracy should work after all. But the current reality is this "other side" is basically just white supremacists. Full stop. They're not all rotten people, plenty of them were goaded into embracing the hatred because the internet, and all those fucking bots, makes it look normal

WW2 taught us to shut down Nazis right away. Zuckerberg and Dorsey have utterly failed as Americans.

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

AshleyGrant wrote: post #227
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vague and menacing threats are admittedly thuggish behavior, but I think it's hard to argue that it's more thuggish than burning down a police station.

Well of course it isn't "more thuggish." The use of "thug" was done on purpose. It is a known racist dog whistle. Trump's racist followers know exactly what he means when he says "These THUGS are..." They replace that with the n word. It's just as a society we don't allow them to say the n word any more, so they've replaced it with a myriad of dog whistles. What I'm saying is that, in their minds, every single person…

I would call any group of people who burns down a police station, or breaks into a Target and starts stealing stuff, thuggish. The mob of white folks in Charlottesville did not, as far as I know, do these things.

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Post by ikeyany »

mc32 wrote: post #236
ikeyany wrote: post #192

People are wondering "How far does this go? How can Twitter say this is not cool, but allow something like violent movies or games? Where's the line?" The leader of the United States encouraging law enforcement and the military to shoot American citizens for looting, that's the line.

Well, so do you censor things like Dr Dre’s 187 because it might be interpreted as inciting violence against (corrupt) police? A public figure of renown among fans.

Two notes: 1) I am not Jack Dorsey and Twitter is not my product, so I'm not sure why you said "you". 2) Dr Dre is not the president of the United States and does not have the authority to direct law enforcement and the military... surely you see the difference.

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Post by jonhohle »

ndespres wrote: post #199
mariodiana wrote: post #187

Calling for the quelling of an insurrection is not "glorifying violence," it is exactly what a government is supposed to do.

By calling for the military to shoot protesting citizens? Come on.

Looting is a reasonable form of protest? George Floyd’s death is horrific, and I pray justice is served, but communities cannot be destroyed in pursuit of that justice.

Some of this reminds me of Koreatown during the LA riots. If authorities don’t step in, militia’s will rise up to defend their families and livelihood. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots#Destruc... I think it’s reasonable that a community would defend itself when attacked, but when the National Guard is purposed for that protection, why shouldn’t they be called in?

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Post by mc32 »

TheHypnotist wrote: post #220
ikeyany wrote: post #192

People are wondering "How far does this go? How can Twitter say this is not cool, but allow something like violent movies or games? Where's the line?" The leader of the United States encouraging law enforcement and the military to shoot American citizens for looting, that's the line.

If the "people" you reference are incapable of telling the difference between movies/games and the POTUS threatening violence on his own people (and arguably a majority of the country), than this is exactly why Twitter needs to do what it's doing.

So on the one hand people can tell the difference between presidential tweets and movie violence... but on the other hand they take all his tweets and interpret them in the most literal way?

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Post by ikeyany »

tootahe45 wrote: post #219
ikeyany wrote: post #192

People are wondering "How far does this go? How can Twitter say this is not cool, but allow something like violent movies or games? Where's the line?" The leader of the United States encouraging law enforcement and the military to shoot American citizens for looting, that's the line.

> encouraging law enforcement and the military to shoot American citizens Also, small business owners getting their livelihoods destroyed by thieving thugs.

Rioters should not destroy businesses, correct.

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Post by chooseaname »

umvi wrote: post #213
ikeyany wrote: post #192

People are wondering "How far does this go? How can Twitter say this is not cool, but allow something like violent movies or games? Where's the line?" The leader of the United States encouraging law enforcement and the military to shoot American citizens for looting, that's the line.

> The leader of the United States encouraging law enforcement and the military to shoot American citizens for looting That's an extremely literal interpretation of his words. Most people would interpret that phrase to mean "you better think twice before looting because I'm not going to sit idly by and let you do it" but in the form of a vaguely threatening, yet catchy rhyme.

> The phrase was used by Miami's police chief, Walter Headley, in 1967, when he addressed his department's "crackdown on ... slum hoodlums," according to a United Press International article from the time.

> Headley, who was chief of police in Miami for 20 years, said that law enforcement was going after “young hoodlums, from 15 to 21, who have taken advantage of the civil rights campaign. ... We don't mind being accused of police brutality."

This is where the quote comes from.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/where-does-phrase-...

Edit:

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-quotes-cop-sparked-rac...

> The National Commission on the Causes and Prevention of Violence found that Headley's remarks and policing policies had been a significant factor in sparking the riots.

> Headley died four months after the riots. The Times in its obituary noted his policies had caused "growing resentment" among black Miami residents.

Our President fully understands the gravity of those words. This is what he wanted to say. This is what he meant. This is what he believes. This is WHO HE IS.

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Post by mc32 »

ikeyany wrote: post #244
mc32 wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, so do you censor things like Dr Dre’s 187 because it might be interpreted as inciting violence against (corrupt) police? A public figure of renown among fans.

Two notes: 1) I am not Jack Dorsey and Twitter is not my product, so I'm not sure why you said "you". 2) Dr Dre is not the president of the United States and does not have the authority to direct law enforcement and the military... surely you see the difference.

People “affiliated” certainly can direct violence.

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Post by giarc »

mc32 wrote: post #236
ikeyany wrote: post #192

People are wondering "How far does this go? How can Twitter say this is not cool, but allow something like violent movies or games? Where's the line?" The leader of the United States encouraging law enforcement and the military to shoot American citizens for looting, that's the line.

Well, so do you censor things like Dr Dre’s 187 because it might be interpreted as inciting violence against (corrupt) police? A public figure of renown among fans.

I think you could argue the authority level difference between the president and Dr. Dre means something.
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