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Re: Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology

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It wasn't just an apology -- they reversed the decision before it happened, preventing any damage. I was also furious when I found out, and still am upset at how they went about this situation in the beginning. They could've handled it much better. But they did what the community asked for, and nobody was harmed in the end. I would argue that this was the system actually working. I think we should incourage good beha…

With your attitude, someone could try to something sneaky and dishonest like TripleByte did, but as long as they walk back on it eventually , it's all good. Why wouldn't another company first try to push privacy violating changes on a Friday, when people like you are so willing to turn a blind eye to it if they get caught? They violated trust and it's going to take a lot more than an email apology to get it back from…

Did you read his comments here (on this thread)? It was that they were rushing to have this feature done earlier, but missed the deadline.

Re: Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology

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I'd say it was both. I wanted to move against LinkedIn profiles, I thought that opt-out was the way to get critical mass, and I screwed up and did not realize how large a privacy violation this was.

Do you have a Chief Privacy Officer? Or Chief Information Security Officer? Was the issue raised and the privacy impact miscalculated (not ideal, but mistakes happen) or were the potential privacy implications overlooked entirely?

We do not have a Chief Privacy Officer or Chief Information Security Officer. The issue was raised by our head of product and I dismissed it. I saw it as a minor concern (I'm ashamed to say).

Re: Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology

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I am not an active Triplebyte user, but I have an account and followed the thread(s). This e-mail (which I also got) seems like a heartfelt apology. They fucked up, realized it and turned the ship around. They listened and that's what counts for me. They listened to the negative feedback and responded to it. Some comments around here are extremely negative of the whole situation. More negative than I think they deser…

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Do you have any evidence @ammon is a sociopath/narcissist?

Re: Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology

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> This e-mail (which I also got) seems like a heartfelt apology. Even if it is heartfelt, I'd argue that if no alarm bells went off internally when they were discussing this feature, they are not the group of people to entrust with information such as this.

> if no alarm bells went off internally when they were discussing this feature, they are not the group of people to entrust with information such as this. On the other hand, once shit hit the fan, you could argue that these people would be extra-careful about fucking it up again, as opposed to another company where everything seems silently OK. It's a bit like the story of the engineer who did a 400.000 dollar mistak…

I also read a story on HN where a devops engineer made a $80k mistake and got fired. He got hired at a new startup and the founder thought "of course he won't make the same mistake twice". He did.

Re: Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology

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Yikes! Was this today? We pushed a fix for this yesterday, but if it's not fixed I need to look into it.

Yes. Can confirm this is the case as of 5 mins ago.

This is bad. Calling our eng team now. We'll have a fix out ASAP.

Re: Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology

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I am not an active Triplebyte user, but I have an account and followed the thread(s). This e-mail (which I also got) seems like a heartfelt apology. They fucked up, realized it and turned the ship around. They listened and that's what counts for me. They listened to the negative feedback and responded to it. Some comments around here are extremely negative of the whole situation. More negative than I think they deser…

I disagree, the site is by developers for developers. Every developer on planet earth is well aware of privacy issues and the evil dark pattern of negative options. They knew this ahead of time, they took a gamble and shit hit the fan. The apology is not heartfelt or sincere, its just damage control. If they want to correct this mistake, turf the product manager or make a $25K donation to the EFF as an act of penance…

If they make a $25k donation to the EFF, people will just ask “why not $50k?” or “why not pay me?” They can’t win against people who have their mind made up.

Re: Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology

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Yes, I'm repeating what he already claims to know, because my point is he should already have known it. I am casting doubt on his sincerity, given this feature, his arguments on HN the other day, and what he's said now. I'm not still angry about what the situation was - I believe the only reason this feature was rolled back is because there was a big backlash. I really believe his whole attitude towards other people'…

I can certainly understand that when you're excited about rolling out a new feature and you encounter some pushback your gut reaction might be to "sell" people on it or try to explain it better rather than listen. The important thing is that he did eventually listen. I think it's also important to distinguish the idea from the execution. A LinkedIn alternative for developers is a great idea. The problem was the incre…

I totally understand being excited about a new feature, but I don't understand the lax attitude towards privacy, especially not nowadays.

I somewhat agree, in that the important thing for now is that he did eventually relent. But I'm not convinced he actually listened, so much as relented under pressure. I don't think those values bode well for the company going forward. I certainly hope I'm proved wrong on that.

Re: Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology

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They’re not a middle man though. They just let you skip to the final interview. Passing or failing that is up to you. Also, the only advocating they do is saying: “John/Jane Doe knows this much: ...”

Have you actually used Triplebyte? You're required to provide an expected salary range as part of your listing. And yes, you can technically provide an open-ended band (e.g. $0 - $999,999) -- can you guess what happens if you do that, and why Triplebyte advises not doing this, even though you have the option to do so?

Yes I have used TripleByte. I haven’t gotten any job offers (probable due to interviewing in February right before COVID-19 went big). So I’m aware of how their system works.

And I stand behind my claim that they’re not a middle man. A middle man advocates for you, and sometimes even handles all the back and forth. A recruiter is a middle man. A hiring agency isn’t.

Re: Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology

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Yikes! Was this today? We pushed a fix for this yesterday, but if it's not fixed I need to look into it.

Yes. Can confirm this is the case as of 5 mins ago.

OK, I just spoke to my co-founder. The functionally was changed yesterday, but the copy was not updated on the confirmation email. The copy will be updated in a few minutes.
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