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Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by addled »

vanviegen wrote: post #190
addled wrote: post #173

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My least favorite android UI feature is the "clear all" option on the list of notifications. Every time I use it, they randomly show up again hours or even days later.

That's a bug/feature of the application(s) offering the event. They get an intent informing then that the notification was dismissed. Well-behaved apps should not repeat the same notification later on, but many seem to do when an additional notification comes in. :-(

Thanks, that makes sense, but also makes it even more annoying when default Android apps behave that way. :|

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by Marsymars »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #238
Marsymars wrote: post #235

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"Passwords" in general aren't a problem, they don't revert the keyboard to the "wrong" layout - it's only the iOS system password that does this. It's not a daily occurrence, but you still need to enter the device password with the "wrong" layout every time you restart your device, when you go 48 hours without unlocking your device, when you have too many unsuccessful Face ID/Touch ID attempts. It's not a big issue n…

My wife and I both use DVORAK, but so many computers are QWERTY that I can use both now without thinking. I knew I had them both down when I could tell people verbally how to enter text on our DVORAK machine by telling them the QWERTY equivalent without looking.

I've never been cool with people using my keyboard or with using other people's keyboards. One of my personal silver linings from COVID is that this should generally no longer be acceptable outside of family units.

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by jhomedall »

jfindley wrote: post #106
userbinator wrote: post #81

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What are the chances that it's also sending the temperature over the Internet to be logged by some server in the cloud, so they can gather usage metrics and other analytics? This is literally "telemetry" in the original engineering sense, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if it did. On a lighter note, Weber does sound like a good name for a web browser.

I get that privacy is important, but I'm struggling to understand why I'm supposed to care about a company logging data on the temperature of the beef I'm cooking. If they want to badly enough to secretly add telemetry code and not tell me? Great, have fun. Enjoy. I'll not lose any sleep over it. In other words - the backlash over excessive data storage and retention is very much good thing, but let's be careful to t…

My grill spying on me strikes me as being equal parts unintentional self-satire, and terrifying dystopia.

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by lowwave »

wyattpeak wrote: post #120
lowwave wrote: post #102

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> and this of course gets logged by the AI @9nGQluzmnq3M don't mean to mock you. It more that it sparked a general observation that seems to be the case now dasy . It is how 'funny' it is that now days we tend to all a lot of stuff AI. Back in the days pre-internet days, this is just some kind of preferences we stored per user bases. I can see that the IT industry is a lot of what is in fashion.

I don't think the two are the same thing. I can't speak for everyone, but when I talk about AI in the context I'm talking about opaque systems with no obvious connection between my action and its response. The sorts of things phones used to remember I'd never refer to as AI. A list of contacts sorted by the frequency with which I use them isn't AI. A list of contacts sorted in an order I don't understand, with a slig…

> when I talk about AI in the context I'm talking about opaque systems with no obvious connection between my action and its response.

For sure, with all the type of Neural Structured Learning, seems like we are just trying things out by training models. Would be good to have a way to actually explain to us developers how decisions are actually made. I know it is based on some kind of statistics.

If anyone can point in the direction that would be greatly appreciated.

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by wyattpeak »

sadfklsjlkjwt wrote: post #199
wyattpeak wrote: post #120

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I don't think the two are the same thing. I can't speak for everyone, but when I talk about AI in the context I'm talking about opaque systems with no obvious connection between my action and its response. The sorts of things phones used to remember I'd never refer to as AI. A list of contacts sorted by the frequency with which I use them isn't AI. A list of contacts sorted in an order I don't understand, with a slig…

Just because the preferences have got worse because of the AI doesn't mean they are no longer "preferences".

I actually don't call either of them preferences. Preferences are something I set, not something the phone decides for me.

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Post by tripzilch »

wyattpeak wrote: post #120
lowwave wrote: post #102

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> and this of course gets logged by the AI @9nGQluzmnq3M don't mean to mock you. It more that it sparked a general observation that seems to be the case now dasy . It is how 'funny' it is that now days we tend to all a lot of stuff AI. Back in the days pre-internet days, this is just some kind of preferences we stored per user bases. I can see that the IT industry is a lot of what is in fashion.

I don't think the two are the same thing. I can't speak for everyone, but when I talk about AI in the context I'm talking about opaque systems with no obvious connection between my action and its response. The sorts of things phones used to remember I'd never refer to as AI. A list of contacts sorted by the frequency with which I use them isn't AI. A list of contacts sorted in an order I don't understand, with a slig…

The real difference is where it gets stored.

Clearly, you want your list of "frequently searched terms" stored locally on your device in a very small and efficient history file.

However, if you store this file on the server, you can hide from the user what actually gets stored in it, it takes longer so it seems like it's doing harder work, and for some reason gets it wrong occasionally which means -- AI.

Google Maps is like this. It completely refuses to remember your recently searched addresses if you disable Location History (which includes remembering and storing, let's call it a little bit more info than just my recent search terms).

This would be such a prime candidate for storing securely, privately on your device, for any type of map service, that I can only conclude this is deliberate hostile anti-user programming.

Also I bet there's code out there that just returns most-recently-searched with a few deliberate mistakes to seem more opaque and thus more AIey.

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by tripzilch »

9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #125
lowwave wrote: post #102

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> and this of course gets logged by the AI @9nGQluzmnq3M don't mean to mock you. It more that it sparked a general observation that seems to be the case now dasy . It is how 'funny' it is that now days we tend to all a lot of stuff AI. Back in the days pre-internet days, this is just some kind of preferences we stored per user bases. I can see that the IT industry is a lot of what is in fashion.

It's an "AI" in the sense that it's an uncontrollable, unknowable black box that's clearly trying to be "smart" (artificially intelligent). It's definitely not sorted by contact frequency or anything close to it, because many of the people I share with all the time never show up. As I type, three of my "top" 4 (including that plumber) are SMS, which is doubly weird since I almost exclusively use WhatsApp.

It's doing something else than the most logical deterministic assumption, so clearly it must be trying to be "smart" ?

How often does a badly implemented algorithm that should in theory just work, get labeled AI because in practice it returns opaque results occasionally?

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Post by tripzilch »

codercotton wrote: post #76
madeofpalk wrote: post #10

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> the absolute inability to override the order of items in the sharing panel[1] that's funny because on iOS you seemingly can override the order, but the behavior of that between different apps (and/or content types?) is so undeterministic that people just give up.

I swear there's some AI going on here. I've noticed that suggestions in my share panel differ depending on content, location, and other things. Or maybe it's just really undeterministic. :)

> Or maybe it's just really undeterministic. :)

Never attribute to AI that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by wyattpeak »

tripzilch wrote: post #246
wyattpeak wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the two are the same thing. I can't speak for everyone, but when I talk about AI in the context I'm talking about opaque systems with no obvious connection between my action and its response. The sorts of things phones used to remember I'd never refer to as AI. A list of contacts sorted by the frequency with which I use them isn't AI. A list of contacts sorted in an order I don't understand, with a slig…

The real difference is where it gets stored. Clearly, you want your list of "frequently searched terms" stored locally on your device in a very small and efficient history file. However, if you store this file on the server, you can hide from the user what actually gets stored in it, it takes longer so it seems like it's doing harder work, and for some reason gets it wrong occasionally which means -- AI. Google Maps…

No, the difference I'm drawing is between straightforward and opaque responses to input.

I'm sure there are companies which play the various games you're suggesting, but I think positing that it's the rule verges into the conspiracy theoretical.

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Post by coronadisaster »

apexalpha wrote: post #213
coronadisaster wrote: post #212

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"things like the absolute inability to override the order of items in the sharing panel" You can replace the share provider app with something else like https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rejh.share... .

Sure, but why does the default share menu shuffle everything every time I open it?

Yes Google cannot be not doing that on purpose. The worst part for me is that it never shows a contact that I text daily and instead shows me contacts that I only contacted once a long time ago....
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