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Saving money on international payments as a remote freelancer

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Re: Saving money on international payments as a remote freelancer

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I have overseas clients whose accounts payables are completely inflexible and insist upon mailing me paper checks. I’m using a forex broker at the moment who gets me mid-market plus about 1.2% to convert into USD.

Does anyone have a better way to receive paper checks that doesn’t involve me establishing a bank account in the sending nation?

Re: Saving money on international payments as a remote freelancer

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> Getting BTC transferred to a wallet at an exchange I trust This has never been a good idea, unless you’ve been immediately selling upon receipt.

Do most people not expect to spend the money eventually? What else are you going to do with it? Unless you are getting international transfers for the purpose of buying drugs or speculating/trading I completely disagree with this. Have taken payment for consulting in BTC a few times and would always get it into a local exchange then sell/transfer out within an hour, it's pretty painless when you are all setup with th…

My point with Transferwise is also: They are not really transferring money. Whereas with BTC, you have a transaction. With Transferwise, they sum up all their transactions and do larger bulk transactions at the end of each month or quarter or whatever.

So with using BTC, you actually have the BTC when it is transferred. The banking system has to cheat itself to keep low fees and fast transaction times. With BTC, you may wait 10-15 minutes. With Fiat, you would usually wait a day or two. But, you can "cheat" your way through the system.

One way I don't get why people won't support BTC: It is a system where everyone can contribute, see every transaction and improve it. The banking system however is old, slow and deeply flawed. And there is no way of improving it. So yeah, even if BTC would be more expensive and slow, I would still use it more often then not, since it's software, and you can fix and improve software.

Re: Saving money on international payments as a remote freelancer

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"fairness to customers is non-negotiable" .... yeah, unless you run a VoIP company. In which case you get told VoIP is against TransferWise AUP and you get told your business account is suspended permanently. And yes, we are talking about a reputable long-established VoIP company here, not some fly-by-night spam operation. Similarly, the TransferWise business account is a bit of a joke. Features that should have been…

Actually thrilled to hear Voip is considered high risk!! A ton of scam / fraud calls into the US are done using overseas garbage voip providers who do nothing to try to reduce the impact their crap has on individuals.

@thoraway1010

Thank you for not bothering to read my post. You know, the bit where I said "long-established reputable, not fly-by-night".

You know, the bit where I am talking about a long-established company with offices in the US and Europe ? A company that is regulated in all juristictions, pays its taxes and obeys all laws ?

You know, the bit where I talk about a company that hates "crap" on their network as much as you hate receiving it.

You know, the company that actively takes steps to identify and deal with miscreants on its network ?

Well of course not, because you want to tarnish all VOIP providers with the same brush !

Re: Saving money on international payments as a remote freelancer

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I don't know the specifics of any of the companies you've listed, but I do know that financial institutions can't generally tell customers when they're doing something like filing a Suspicious Activity Report. I suspect one such report got filed for me or a nonprofit I volunteered with when I came across the Canada-US border a few years back to deposit several Canada Post USD money orders plus a single US$20 bill int…

> My reason for suspecting this is how many people came over to the teller's desk to help with handling the deposit, and how long it took with mostly periods of silence. But that said, the deposit happened just fine with no objections raised and no follow-up inquiries reaching me or the nonprofit. Just confirming what I've read: you suspect that a report was filed, but your non-profit's account has not been closed by…

Right. No consequences of any sort happened which were visible to me, which I'm glad about since everything in that transaction was legitimate and legal and traceable. (The non-profit has proper financial records and could confirm details to investigators if asked.)

Many suspicious activity reports are filed defensively by banks to avoid the risk of getting regulators mad at them for not filing one if something shady did turn out to happen, not because of real individualized suspicions. Many aren't even looked at by investigators.

Re: Saving money on international payments as a remote freelancer

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I'm not sure where in the provided link you found that, but I am not doubting you found something FX-related in there with $1 billion as a relevant number, since they serve lots of different professional populations. But yes, they can exchange even a dollar or two. I've exchanged five figures a few times there between CAD and USD, as an American living in Canada and actively using a US credit card. So far I've found…

Sorry, I think I pasted the wrong link. From the homepage, Pricing → Commissions → Forex leads to the 1,000,000,000 cutoff. https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/index.php?f=1590&p=fx

Thanks. I guess you're right that people like me who don't trade billions per month pay their most expensive forex rates. But it's not a cutoff, just a price tier, and still far cheaper than TransferWise or any other option I know of for exchanging non-institutional quantities of currency.

To clarify the terms in that table: one basis point is 1/100 of 1%, as they themselves clarify in a footnote rather than assuming all readers know it. And trade value is, well, the amount you trade. :) The footnote for that term clarifies that they convert and charge this commission in whatever currency you have configured as the base currency for your account. (For example, I've chosen USD for my base currency since most of my transactions are US stocks on US exchanges, even though I'm in Canada and therefore the legal entity I'm officially dealing with is IB's Canadian arm.)

So, to convert anywhere up to US$100,000 (or its foreign currency equivalent) to any other currency, they charge their minimum fee of US$2 - mathematically, 2 / (1/100 of 0.20) = 100,000. Above that and up to US$1 billion, you take the amount you're trading, multiply by 1/100 of 0.20, and that's the fee.

$2 is a ridiculously low fee to convert five USD figures or less of currency, given that they also directly pass through the very tight exchange rates collectively quoted by their suppliers without building any profit for them into the rate itself.

Re: Saving money on international payments as a remote freelancer

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post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure where in the provided link you found that, but I am not doubting you found something FX-related in there with $1 billion as a relevant number, since they serve lots of different professional populations. But yes, they can exchange even a dollar or two. I've exchanged five figures a few times there between CAD and USD, as an American living in Canada and actively using a US credit card. So far I've found…

Well this page says something about trading less than $1 billion per month: https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/index.php?f=1590&p=fx

Yeah, that's indeed the link that the other poster meant to share. See my reply to their comment parallel to yours for more detailed thoughts and numbers.

Re: Saving money on international payments as a remote freelancer

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I see lots of praise for TransferWise here and I regret not trying them out earlier. For what it's worth, I can add my two cents regarding PayPal. From a customer experience perspective, PayPal is pretty great - the UI is smooth and I like being able to pay with my PayPal balance online. Having said that, their fees are nothing short of exorbitant - for international transfers, if I'm not mistaken, the fee is 4.4% +…

PayPal's customer service is atrocious to consumers as well, especially if you fall between the gaps and get asked to do some weird KYC.

Two months ago, they asked me to provide charity information for my personal account, and subsequently limited my receiving/sending privileges.

Phone calls to them trying to sort this out have always ended up at some call centre in the Philippines, where the agents can only tell their users that the account limitation is "for their safety".

They've also limited the personal account of a friend of mine (who was interestingly enough ex-PayPal) before, also asking for charity information.

Re: Saving money on international payments as a remote freelancer

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FWIW, where possible, I advise having both a TransferWise account and a Revolut or Interactive Brokers account. TransferWise is fantastic for receiving money. They have local bank accounts in USD, EUR, GBP, AUD, NZD and PLN. However for sending money and converting money, their fees can really suck: for $10k USD -> EUR (EURUSD is one of the most liquid forex pairs), they charge 81 USD in fees, or %0.8. Even for local…

For Transferwise the "Borderless account" is much cheaper then the "Send money" option. I get a price of ~46USD when I convert 10K USD to EUR (instead of the 81 when using the "Send money" calculator: https://transferwise.com/no/pricing/
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