Here’s a reality for folks: right now, Zoom is literally saving entire corporations and jobs in the midst of a global pandemic. Outside this little bubble, no one is blinking twice at this, and neither is our government; frankly, and that’s how it should be. The benefits of Zoom actually _even working at all_ during this time is to be applauded and the engineers and customer service reps should be applauded. This... this right here is a privileged group of people with no conception of what real problems actually look like.
Zoom iOS app sends data to Facebook even if you don’t have a Facebook account
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Re: Zoom iOS app sends data to Facebook even if you don’t have a Facebook account
#242> There is nothing in the privacy policy that addresses [that data is being sent to Facebook] > The Zoom app notifies Facebook when the user opens the app, details on the user's device such as the model, the time zone and city they are connecting from, which phone carrier they are using, and a unique advertiser identifier created by the user's device which companies can use to target a user with advertisements So Zoo…
One thing i'll note here as to a potential reason why they do this I just recently attempted to set up Facebook adverts for an app I developed. When it came time for me to set the metric up I obviously chose "App Installs" as my metric to track. To do this, Facebook told me I needed to install the Facebook SDK in my app to attribute an adverts conversion. I didn't end up running the ad, but I can see why companies po…
It is Zoom’s responsibility to list Facebook here:
Not sure why Vice called out the omission from the privacy policy – I’ve never seen one that actually lists all companies out by name. The GDPR mandates a list of subprocessors, though!
Re: Zoom iOS app sends data to Facebook even if you don’t have a Facebook account
#243Earlier quoted context omitted.
One thing i'll note here as to a potential reason why they do this I just recently attempted to set up Facebook adverts for an app I developed. When it came time for me to set the metric up I obviously chose "App Installs" as my metric to track. To do this, Facebook told me I needed to install the Facebook SDK in my app to attribute an adverts conversion. I didn't end up running the ad, but I can see why companies po…
It is Zoom’s responsibility to list Facebook here: https://zoom.us/subprocessors Not sure why Vice called out the omission from the privacy policy – I’ve never seen one that actually lists all companies out by name. The GDPR mandates a list of subprocessors, though!
Their privacy policy even explicitly calls that out:
> Zoom, our third-party service providers, and advertising partners (e.g., Google Ads and Google Analytics) automatically collect some information about you when you use our Products, using methods such as cookies and tracking technologies (further described below).
Re: Zoom iOS app sends data to Facebook even if you don’t have a Facebook account
#244I want to see the App Store list what entities a given app might communicate with without explicit user request. If your SDK feeds FB, it needs to be on the label. If you talk to dodgy surveillance shops, ditto. Making this enforceable (plist authorizations, like microphone permissions) is a little tricky, but at the very least smoking out slimy crap like this would be much easier.
Never gonna happen. You want the house of cards to come tumbling down?
Yes. Yes I do. It can't happen fast enough. Sorry, not sorry, if your business model depends on selling the personal data of unsuspecting users and this makes you go under. If you are up front that this data exchange occurs and the user accepts, then that's fine. Hiding it in lawyer speak in an comprehensible EULA/TOS does not count as being up front about anything.
Re: Zoom iOS app sends data to Facebook even if you don’t have a Facebook account
#245Here’s a reality for folks: right now, Zoom is literally saving entire corporations and jobs in the midst of a global pandemic. Outside this little bubble, no one is blinking twice at this, and neither is our government; frankly, and that’s how it should be. The benefits of Zoom actually _even working at all_ during this time is to be applauded and the engineers and customer service reps should be applauded. This...…
Welcome, Zoom employee. The 'privileged' condescension tact will not win friends and influence people. Have you tried meet.jit.si? It's secure and free, no account or download needed. Cheers.
Re: Zoom iOS app sends data to Facebook even if you don’t have a Facebook account
#246Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's past time for us to get serious and apply HIPAA-style protection to the storage and transmission of PII, without exemptions. Companies like Facebook will complain loudly that they won't be able to survive, but that is not our problem. If we pass legislation with teeth, they will need to change their business model. That would be the point.
I disagree with this — more regulation will make it harder to innovate. For example, I’ve met several founders who wanted to enable tele-medicine years ago but decided against it because “the lawyers cost more than the engineers”, and walking-on-eggshells destroys morale & iteration speed. I’m not arguing to de-regulate heath data — my point is that we should selectively apply regulation. It’s likely a great thing to…
Oh, BS. My wife is a medical practice management exec, I I do some IT consulting in the space. There is absolutely no end of telemedicine solutions and have been forever (I implemented an early one in the mid-90s). There is absolutely no end of new and innovative health care startups. Those 'founders' you talked to are the problem, not the solution: people who want to bitch about being required to do the right thing, pretend they're doing an 'Atlas Shrugged' by not putting in any effort, rather than innovate around doing the right thing.
Re: Zoom iOS app sends data to Facebook even if you don’t have a Facebook account
#247Didn't zoom get their start claiming to be a privacy conscious company?
If they did, what's that matter? Google started with a tag line of "Don't be evil". 9 out of 10 doctors used to say smoking was good for your health. Choosy moms choose JIF (not GIF).
Re: Zoom iOS app sends data to Facebook even if you don’t have a Facebook account
#248Criminalize targeted advertising
And what agency will police that policy?
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It's like people forget "the bar" for anti-trust action used to be bundling the default app (web browser) with the OS (windows)
You're forgetting the 90% market share part.
Apple doesn't have >90% market share for iOS app stores? Who is their competition? You can't run an Android app on iOS. There are no iOS apps on Amazon or Google Play. That makes it a separate market.
Re: Zoom iOS app sends data to Facebook even if you don’t have a Facebook account
#250Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's past time for us to get serious and apply HIPAA-style protection to the storage and transmission of PII, without exemptions. Companies like Facebook will complain loudly that they won't be able to survive, but that is not our problem. If we pass legislation with teeth, they will need to change their business model. That would be the point.
it's time to stop using the f'ing apps mate
Most users of Zoom aren't choosing it–it is being chosen for them. Both of my children's schools (preschool and elementary) started using Zoom this week, so it is either use Zoom or they do not get to participate.