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Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Microsoft do the same tricks to push users to switch back from Firefox/Chrome to Edge : https://twitter.com/WindowsLatest/status/1226184938552098817

We kind of expect this from Microsoft. But we're still in denial about Google

Also the effects are worse when the actor doing those ads has more than 30%, 50%, 70% market share.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code > The AARD code was a segment of code in a beta release of Microsoft Windows 3.1 that would determine whether Windows was running on MS-DOS or PC DOS, rather than a competing workalike such as DR-DOS, and would result in a cryptic error message in the latter case. This XOR-encrypted, self-modifying, and deliberately obfuscated machine code used a variety of undocumented DOS str…

I think question was about ie6 era, which is like 2001.

1999 and 2001 are only 2 years apart though...

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Pretty interesting article. > "Google Chrome ads started appearing next to Firefox search terms. Gmail & [Google] Docs started to experience selective performance issues and bugs on Firefox. Demo sites would falsely block Firefox as 'incompatible'," he said. > "All of this is stuff you're allowed to do to compete, of course. But we were still a search partner, so we'd say 'hey what gives?' And every time, they'd say,…

> "When I started at Mozilla in 2007 there was no Google Chrome, and most folks we spoke with inside [Google] were Firefox fans," Nightingale recollected in a Twitter thread on Saturday. > "When Chrome launched... ... many of those same folks started to use Chrome, making it easier to miss Firefox bugs? Jonathan Nightingale is claiming a company-wide conspiracy ("coordinated plan" in Jonathan's words) across "hundred…

> We're talking Google here: they have a hard enough time coordinating internally when they're openly trying.

Which is an interesting point here: is Google a drunken master pretending to be an incompetent but way more coordinated than they appear or is Google simply an incompetent company whose left hand never knows what its right hand is doing, but yet has been extremely lucky at pretending to be competent?

(Either way, given such history how can you trust anything about Google if they seem so uncoordinated and prone to so many "oops"?)

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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This is just like when Google Maps was blocked on Windows Phone[1] and when they decided to block YouTube as well[2]. Microsoft now finds themselves in the same position their competitors found themselves in the IE6 era. Google is behaving, if anything, worse, and using its massive reach and user base to stifle competition. This is deeply disappointing, and all the more reason Microsoft never should have adopted Chro…

> Microsoft now finds themselves in the same position their competitors found themselves in the IE6 era. Could you please give some examples ? Did windows ever blocked a competitors product ?

They find themselves in the same position of being a minority with a powerful, majority market share competitor that has the ability to put their products front and center (e.g.: on google.com and other Google properties).

I think the IE6 era was bad for the web for a lot of reasons, but fortunately the investigations into Microsoft made it harder for them to abuse their overwhelming marketshare.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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This is just like when Google Maps was blocked on Windows Phone[1] and when they decided to block YouTube as well[2]. Microsoft now finds themselves in the same position their competitors found themselves in the IE6 era. Google is behaving, if anything, worse, and using its massive reach and user base to stifle competition. This is deeply disappointing, and all the more reason Microsoft never should have adopted Chro…

>They will eventually have to maintain a hard fork, the differences will grow such that they eventually have to increase their engineering spend on it to keep pace with just managing the rebases and patches or reimplement features themselves,

This sounds dramatic but Microsoft is a company with 150000 employees. Maintaining a fork of Chromium while open source development continues is probably not an insurmountable feat, and I don't see why it is in principle more work than switching to and contributing to Gecko.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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This is just like when Google Maps was blocked on Windows Phone[1] and when they decided to block YouTube as well[2]. Microsoft now finds themselves in the same position their competitors found themselves in the IE6 era. Google is behaving, if anything, worse, and using its massive reach and user base to stifle competition. This is deeply disappointing, and all the more reason Microsoft never should have adopted Chro…

Sadly, I tried Firefox for a while, and it's big enough of a downgrade compared to Chrome that I went back.

A hard fork of Chromium specifically for Edge might not be the worse thing ever. Having two independently maintained versions of that engine might be enough to force more standardization than in a Chrome-only world.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty interesting article. > "Google Chrome ads started appearing next to Firefox search terms. Gmail & [Google] Docs started to experience selective performance issues and bugs on Firefox. Demo sites would falsely block Firefox as 'incompatible'," he said. > "All of this is stuff you're allowed to do to compete, of course. But we were still a search partner, so we'd say 'hey what gives?' And every time, they'd say,…

> Google Chrome ads started appearing next to Firefox search terms Why don't webdevs fight back and put "best viewed on Firefox" pop-ups on their pages (whenever the user is using Chrome).

As someone who uses neither a Chromium-based browser nor Firefox, I certainly would not like that. Web devs shouldn't be deciding what tools users use to view their pages. They should strive to create sites that work on anything.

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This is just like when Google Maps was blocked on Windows Phone[1] and when they decided to block YouTube as well[2]. Microsoft now finds themselves in the same position their competitors found themselves in the IE6 era. Google is behaving, if anything, worse, and using its massive reach and user base to stifle competition. This is deeply disappointing, and all the more reason Microsoft never should have adopted Chro…

Sadly, I tried Firefox for a while, and it's big enough of a downgrade compared to Chrome that I went back. A hard fork of Chromium specifically for Edge might not be the worse thing ever. Having two independently maintained versions of that engine might be enough to force more standardization than in a Chrome-only world.

It totally depends on when you did try Firefox.

Two years ago Firefox was such a downgrade I concur.

One year ago the reverse was true and I switched to Firefox without regrets.

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This is just like when Google Maps was blocked on Windows Phone[1] and when they decided to block YouTube as well[2]. Microsoft now finds themselves in the same position their competitors found themselves in the IE6 era. Google is behaving, if anything, worse, and using its massive reach and user base to stifle competition. This is deeply disappointing, and all the more reason Microsoft never should have adopted Chro…

https://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/11/05/how_ms_played_the_i... > "It's pretty clear we need to make sure Windows 3.1 only runs on top of MS DOS or an OEM version of it," and "The approach we will take is to detect dr 6 and refuse to load. The error message should be something like 'Invalid device driver interface.'" Microsoft isn't the gorilla it used to be, but never forget it is a gorilla, and knows how to play th…

Chrome bypassed a lot of security policies by installing itself in the user profile instead of the normal installation in the Program Files folder, because otherwise it would have never been allowed in many corporate environments.

Microsoft can manipulate Windows to make Chrome look bad, but while this could have been useful fifteen years ago against other less popular software, now Windows has serious competition in the form of smartphones and tablets.

Microsoft can't do anything about Android. And people are using Android instead of Windows to browse the Web more and more every day.

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