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Tell HN: Mailgun lowers free-tier API from 10k to 625 emails per month

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Re: Tell HN: Mailgun lowers free-tier API from 10k to 625 emails per month

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Post by pests »

Multicomp wrote: post #223
pests wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ceck out Mitadu. $5/for unlimited domains and users. Prices rise with outgoing mail needs.

Signed up based on this comment. There is a free trial tier that only lets you send 10 emails a day. You also have to own at least one domain.

The creator is around here somewhere it was announced here years ago on launch.

Based in Switzerland.

The free trial and outgoing sending limits are the only limits. Not meant for automated emails so not a huge concern and keeps spammers away.

Re: Tell HN: Mailgun lowers free-tier API from 10k to 625 emails per month

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Post by exolymph »

donmcronald wrote: post #134
ttul wrote: post #118

My company (MailChannels) sends email on behalf of more domains than any other transactional email provider (see https://trends.builtwith.com/mx/transactional-email/traffic/... ) because our customer base is hosting companies rather than individual senders. The whole transactional space has matured in the past year with SendGrid's acquisition by Twilio and Mailgun passing through a couple of different private equity…

The thing that annoys me is the standard operating procedure in tech is to offer stuff for free until a bunch of people depend on it and then to start charging as much as you possibly can once there's a large enough customer base that a reasonable percentage won't have any choice but to bear the updated costs. Mailgun did a pretty nice job by offering a pay-as-you-go tier, but they still took features from the free p…

The very obvious takeaway is to not expect free services to be available indefinitely.

Re: Tell HN: Mailgun lowers free-tier API from 10k to 625 emails per month

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

Mh interesting. I was using that free tier to handle my family email addresses (personal and "group-like" email addresses,eg. Family@blah would direct to the entire family).

What alternatives do I have to send and receive emails using my custom domain? I don't love the idea of paying for gsuite (too many features for what I need). But it's hard to think of email providers that allow me creating aliases / groups for my personal email.

All I really need is a redirect to gmail and a way to send through that domain

Re: Tell HN: Mailgun lowers free-tier API from 10k to 625 emails per month

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Post by bakoo »

cozuya wrote: post #119

Welp FML. I run a free/lets encrypt/no ads web adaptation of a board game with email verification for only signups and password resets, no "blasts", no nothing else, and I send out ~150 mailgun emails a day. I mean I guess I can disable it and... if you lose your password, you're fucked? Handling my own SMTP sounds like a nightmare.

By switching to Amazon, I believe you can reduce the monthly $3.75 down to $0.45, which hopefully isn't enough to break your bank.

Re: Tell HN: Mailgun lowers free-tier API from 10k to 625 emails per month

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Post by webbie917 »

dumbfoundded wrote: post #193
donmcronald wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing that annoys me is the standard operating procedure in tech is to offer stuff for free until a bunch of people depend on it and then to start charging as much as you possibly can once there's a large enough customer base that a reasonable percentage won't have any choice but to bear the updated costs. Mailgun did a pretty nice job by offering a pay-as-you-go tier, but they still took features from the free p…

I don't know if emailing them would help, but I'd try it. They probably have a system to grandfather people in, who reach out. I would hope.

^^^ I agree with this. There is a very good chance that anyone who bothers to reach out to support and explain their case can get grandfathered.

Re: Tell HN: Mailgun lowers free-tier API from 10k to 625 emails per month

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Post by webbie917 »

donmcronald wrote: post #236
sethammons wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also work in this space. We have many customers who leave email platforms on Amazon because the IP space is polluted. Many inbox providers are extra cautious with email from those IPs because spamming is easy. Even if your IP is not used for spamming, someone else in the same /24 space could be.

I feel like they could solve that by making people buy-in to shared IP pools where the low volume pricing is a relatively high one time fee. For example, if you want a quota of 100 messages per day, you have to pay a one time fee of $.10 per message to get into the pool, so $10. If you want a quota of 50k messages per day you have to pay a one time fee of $.005 per message, so $250.

I don't love the pricing examples (cost prohibitive for many), but I like an idea of IP pool clusters where you pay to be on a certain tier level.

Re: Tell HN: Mailgun lowers free-tier API from 10k to 625 emails per month

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Post by PlutoIsAPlanet »

freedomben wrote: post #166
simon_weber wrote: post #130

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Ugh. I settled on Mailgun for this use case recently and now I'll have to switch. I used to use https://medium.com/@ashan.fernando/forwarding-emails-to-your... to do this cheaply via SES, but it was a pain to set up for new domains and had some odd behavior at times. https://improvmx.com was something else I came across, but I don't feel great trusting an unknown service with all my incoming mail. Zoho works and is f…

I have used both ImprovMX and ForwardEmail.net so can comment on them. ImprovMX has always worked great. I have used it for a handful of email addresses that all forward to my personal account. If your personal account is gmail it's also very easy to set up a "send as." I will definitely use this first next time I need something like this. ForwardEmail is indeed open source and works pretty good. It's a little more s…

I decided to use ImprovMX to handle incoming and using MailGun for outgoing·

Re: Tell HN: Mailgun lowers free-tier API from 10k to 625 emails per month

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Post by smaryjerry »

donmcronald wrote: post #134
ttul wrote: post #118

My company (MailChannels) sends email on behalf of more domains than any other transactional email provider (see https://trends.builtwith.com/mx/transactional-email/traffic/... ) because our customer base is hosting companies rather than individual senders. The whole transactional space has matured in the past year with SendGrid's acquisition by Twilio and Mailgun passing through a couple of different private equity…

The thing that annoys me is the standard operating procedure in tech is to offer stuff for free until a bunch of people depend on it and then to start charging as much as you possibly can once there's a large enough customer base that a reasonable percentage won't have any choice but to bear the updated costs. Mailgun did a pretty nice job by offering a pay-as-you-go tier, but they still took features from the free p…

Note his estimates were for revenue less cost of goods sold. So that doesn't cover any labor, interest, taxes, etc.

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Post by CodeWriter23 »

donmcronald wrote: post #196
cpncrunch wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I submitted multiple reports to email-abuse@amazon.com including headers, and received automated responses. For some spammers I reported them 4 times, but the spam kept coming. I think you've confirmed what I said in my parent comment...SES doesn't take a zero tolerance approach. I think it is the shared IPs that I've blocked (54.240.27.189/24). You'll see they are on multiple blacklists.

Do you literally block (aka drop) mail from SES IPs? That's awful for your users. If you really distrust mail from those IPs so much, why not just filter it straight to SPAM? At least you'd be delivering it and your users could whitelist senders (or domains) they trust.

> Do you literally block (aka drop) mail from SES IPs? That's awful for your users.

My good friend has worked on the email system for a mid-range consumer ISP for about the past 10 or so years. He told me 93% of all email they receive is spam. And they have a 60PB NAS for their mail store. So for every 1PB of storage they had to discard ~14PB of junk. And that’s just the stuff they summarily dismiss. Then some of the remaining 7% they accept makes it to your Junk folder.

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