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How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by oracular_demon »

tusharsoni wrote: post #99

Developer of a recently launched app with Sign in with Apple here. I watched the keynote where they launched Sign in with Apple and was honestly surprised at how easy the implementation was. I thought it was a no-brainer to add it to my app. So, I follow their (severely lacking) docs and the keynote and get a solution working. Once the user logs in, their APIs hand you a token that you can then send to the server. Th…

100% agree with this. I had to develop a system to accept Apple tokens and validate them in exchange for our own system's token. When I did this the documentation was sorely lacking (looks the link you posted is fairly recent).

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by rootusrootus »

bdamm wrote: post #239
rubyn00bie wrote: post #218

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iMessage is the greatest thing to happen to text messaging since text messaging itself. I refuse to use any Facebook owned product to communicate; so, that pretty much only leaves me SMS and iMessage. I think you should be pissed at bottom barrel Android manufacturers putting shitty messaging interfaces on Android phones more than Apple for having a good messaging system.

I have Facebook Messenger, Messages (iMessage), WhatsApp, Signal, Hangouts, Slack & Discord all installed on my iPhone. Why hold back?

Every app is another opportunity to get a tracker on your phone. I like to limit how many native apps I have installed whenever possible.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by rootusrootus »

noelsusman wrote: post #229
rubyn00bie wrote: post #218

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iMessage is the greatest thing to happen to text messaging since text messaging itself. I refuse to use any Facebook owned product to communicate; so, that pretty much only leaves me SMS and iMessage. I think you should be pissed at bottom barrel Android manufacturers putting shitty messaging interfaces on Android phones more than Apple for having a good messaging system.

iMessage has done more to hold back messaging in the US than anything else. Even if Google was competent at messaging it wouldn't matter because iOS users wouldn't switch and Apple refuses to open up iMessage to non-Apple devices. I'm still using SMS for most of my messaging, and I primarily blame Apple for that.

Are you asking for Apple to pay for infrastructure for non-customers to use? Or even further, that Apple design and support an Android iMessage app?

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by [deleted] »

toasterlovin wrote: post #166
eyesbear wrote: post #111

Apple forced some of the companies that rely on Apple’s platform iOS or MacOS to implement this feature, how is that not anti-trust?

Because A) this is good for consumers, and B) Apple doesn't have the market position to force consumers or other vendors to do anything. There is plenty of choice and competition in the smartphone market.

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Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by ryanbrunner »

coldtea wrote: post #185
ehsankia wrote: post #59

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Apple continues to not give any care whatsoever to anything outside their walled garden. For the longest time you couldn't even preview songs on iTunes store without having iTunes. Want to watch their biggest WWDC live? Had to use Safari until last year. Obviously iMessage and FaceTime are complete no-gos outside their walled garden too. This is how they keep people in. They have to close down their walls as tightly…

> This is how they keep people in. They have to close down their walls as tightly as possible, to force people in. And once you're in, they make it as hard as possible to leave. I call old wives tales. I'm a close-to-20-years Apple user. The walled garden has never been a problem, more of a strength (integration, cohesion, etc). Especially today where everything is a subscription, there has never been LESS of a walle…

One really egregious and incredibly frustrating example of a walled garden by Apple is the fact that I can't accept an invitation to view a shared iPhoto library unless I accept that invitation from Apple Mail. I'm using a Mac, I have iPhoto installed, there's no reason other than consumer-hostile behaviour to not allow me to accept that invite from Gmail in a browser. Hell, make me copy the link and paste it in iPhoto if I need to. Forcing me to use a particular e-mail client is just ridiculous.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by taeric »

derefr wrote: post #132
taeric wrote: post #113

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Does this just cement you too apple? I'm assuming if you lose your Apple address, you have lost all linked addresses?

In most sensible authentication flows, your email address is not the primary key on your account, but rather just a credential with a link to an account, where an account HAS MANY credentials. You can usually "Sign in with X" and then "link" your now-existing account to credentials from "Sign in with Y" and "Sign in with Z."

That doesn't work if the email address the service knows as you, is a fake proxy at Apple.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by gamblor956 »

comex wrote: post #219
gamblor956 wrote: post #204

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in practice, several large chain stores deliberately disabled ApplePay specifically at first, hoping to choke it off. This is FUD spread by Apple after poor uptake of Apple Pay. The reality is that many retail chains and restaurants either hadn't enabled the NFC chips in their payment terminals, or were using old terminals that didn't even have NFC functionality, and thus did not work with Apple Pay. Retailers that s…

According to news reports from the time, both Rite Aid and CVS initially supported NFC payments (at least at some locations), then proceeded to disable them shortly after Apple Pay launched: https://www.macrumors.com/2014/10/25/cvs-disabling-nfc-apple...

Rite Aid and CVS disabled NFC payments because their POS terminals weren't configured to handle NFC payments and they didn't want to spend the resources on a store-by-store basis trying to work out the kinks.

Notably, CVS did not restore NFC payments until 2018, 2 years after CurrentC had failed, because that is when they had NFC-ready POS terminals in all stores. (RiteAid started accepting NFC in 2015, since more of their stores had NFC-ready POS terminals.)

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