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Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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I think your comment is a good one. > Houston is one of, if not the, most ethnically diverse city in the US. It's worth pointing out that this is in no small part because Houston is affordable. I don't care for that kind of sprawl and would prefer other ways of building 'enough' to be affordable ( https://www.sightline.org/2017/09/21/yes-you-can-build-your-... ) but still, it is affordable, and there are a lot of opp…

This article argues that segregation is prevalent in Houston. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/local/gray-matters/article/...

But I still see people from all different backgrounds interact more in Houston than any other city I have ever been to.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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I'm born and raised Sonoma County (as is my wife) and we are about the only people we grew up with who still live here. We saved/worked through college bought a house at a decent time (2014), and our mortgage payment for 3BR/2BA is less than many friends pay for a room. If my wife wasn't a winemaker we would most likely not be living here either. I cannot begin to understand how or why people would move here, and man…

It’s hard to beat CA weather, scenery, and access to outdoors. And be a drive from a major city like SF. Hence lots of rich people are willing to pay a lot for housing. Plus, CA has some decent socially liberal laws that set it apart.

If one can afford to live here I get it - sorry writing during short breaks at work. I don't understand how someone who is young and in an entry level service industry job could make the decision to live in Sonoma County, however with my wife supervising 10-40 seasonal interns a year (shes worked in different sized wineries) I have become friends with a lot of them. I wish them the best but more often than not I see them give up after a year or two and move home. This has led to a lot of well loved restaurants slowly decreasing in quality and closing, or offering limited menus (I eat out only a few times a year so I am not decrying the loss of restauarants, but rather pointing out a visible expression of the rising cost of living).

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Tongue-in-cheek comment that I've read somewhere is that folks flee Democrat-run cities due to high taxes and mismanagement and move elsewhere, but then continue voting Democrat to bring back the same policies they wanted to escape from.

folks flee Democrat-run cities due to high taxes and mismanagement and move elsewhere, but then continue voting Democrat This does seem to be the case. If you look at the voting statistics for cities where Californians are fleeing -- Boise, Las Vegas, Reno, Salt Lake City, etc -- those cities are rapidly turning blue. But I don't know if they continue voting Democrat "to bring back" their old laws and lifestyle so mu…

> But I don't know if they continue voting Democrat "to bring back" their old laws and lifestyle so much as they're just used to voting a particular way and continue to do so.

I think the way people vote tends to reflect their beliefs. And generally, beliefs don't change often or drastically.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Considering that Florida is slowly but surely going underwater it is weird to see it as the most popular destination to move to.

That's a very long-term outlook. Unless you own beachfront property, it won't be happening in your lifetime.

Elsewhere in the world, it would only affect beachfront property as the coasts recede. But South Florida is literally built on water, a swiss cheese of porous carbonate rocks such as limestone. As seawater pushes through the porous rock, a process called salt-water intrusion, it dissolves the limestone — causing rampant sinkholes all over the state that already are a big problem today — and raises the water table. The Netherlands model will never work for South Florida.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Please research the facts before posting this. The fires have been caused by people using Propane tanks with attachments to heat their flammable tents.

The Kincade Fire was started by PG&E, but somehow whenever wildfires get mentioned, people immediately point to the homeless... I only made this comment because it seems to be feeding into exterminationist sentiments among the wealthy and homeowners. As I pointed out, this led to an attack on an encampment in my old neighborhood.

OP didn't say that the wildfires were caused by the homeless. There have been three small fires at an encampment between Santa Rosa and Sebastopol in the last few months: https://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/10578855-181/fire-crew-re...

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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SF and NYC in a nutshell: High taxes to fund entitlement programs like "affordable housing" and the homeless industrious complex, high regulations that only allow mega corps to succeed, landlord unfriendly laws so no chances taken on good borderline tenants, and no firearms for law abiding citizens so criminals are emboldened.

On the flip side: high taxes means access to things like public transportation, meaning that you don't need to own and maintain a car. And crime rates in NYC, at least, are at absolute historic lows. The firearms part of your statement really makes no sense at all. Some other pluses: a huge concentration of culture, entertainment, dining. Regional transportation hubs to travel to other cities is relatively quick.

This is hilarious, yeah in SF the 55 percent taxes i pay really do provide me great public transportation

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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My wife and I moved here to California (my home state) mid-2018 from Michigan (her home state). We moved out here for a startup, but shortly after relocating the founder ran out of money and could no longer pay me. This was a huge shock because on the surface everything was fine and dandy. Got totally bamboozled. I still remember walking into our co-working spot to pick up some mail and was told that I should leave t…

> Having grown up here I just see all the traffic and density and lack of breathing room and want to head for the hills.

And that's why so many people live in those WUI areas (wildland-urban interface) which is one of the factors why the amount of property damage (and human lives) has increased from fire risk over the years.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Sonoma County, CA here. We've lost more people from our county than any other in the state between 2017-2018 [1], and it is only continuing. From the few of these people I have spoken with - anecdotally: - None left because of the fire risk, specifically. [though some obviously did - 2] - Most left because of the cost of living: $600k avg home price. - Some also left because of political and human environment: We hav…

Sonoma county needs to clean up. Rampant drug abuse, crime(prop 47) and homeless encampments everywhere. I can’t even begin to explain the hassle I had to deal with my farm there. My farm business is literally trashed due to Sonoma county’s lack of law and order.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Sonoma County, CA here. We've lost more people from our county than any other in the state between 2017-2018 [1], and it is only continuing. From the few of these people I have spoken with - anecdotally: - None left because of the fire risk, specifically. [though some obviously did - 2] - Most left because of the cost of living: $600k avg home price. - Some also left because of political and human environment: We hav…

> Petty crime is increasing, and state laws are only enabling this - people are sick of it. I wonder if people considered voting the politicians who made these laws out. Judging from CA voting patterns, probably not. And then when it gets really bad, they move to another state and likely vote for the same policies that caused them to move in the first place.

I first heard of this phenomenon the other day from a coworker that lives south of Atlanta, near the major movie/tv production area. People, from what are typically blue areas, are moving in and radically changing the political landscape according to him. He wasn’t necessarily against liberal ideas but his complaint was that they seem to vote for taxes just for the hell of it because every tax proposed is still significantly less than where they came from.

Either way, interesting times.

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