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Post by trianglem »

LeanderK wrote: post #117
WalterBright wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> stay at home playing video games all day Playing video games is monumentally boring after a short while. I just can't understand people who disappear into them. Even the game I wrote for myself ( classicempire.com ) I rarely actually played, I'd spend my time trying to make the computer AI play better.

I also can't understand it, life is fun and video games get boring pretty quickly. But that's probably why I am not staying at home playing video games all day.

Life usually isn’t fun if you are hideous or stupid.

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Post by remarkEon »

Miner49er wrote: post #2

> but they nevertheless suggest that changes in family structure had a powerful and adverse impact on male work rates and labor-force participation rates... This article seems to assume that changes in family structures are a cause of men not working. I see no mention that it could actually be an effect of that. Who's gonna want to marry (let alone have kids with) a man who is unemployed and isn't even looking for wo…

It's an endogenous effect.

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Post by huherto »

Mirioron wrote: post #63
tathougies wrote: post #5

The article is long on detail and short on suggestions (which is understandable). However, the suggestions it does make are not obviously going to work. The men illustrated in the article do not seem incapable of work, but rather disinterested. Vocational training isn't going to fix the fact that the government benefits the article cited allows the men to stay at home playing video games all day. Most people (but esp…

I don't think the two causes listed in the article are actually the causes. I think both are yet another symptom of an underlying problem. I would argue that men doing worse in schooling is likely another symptom of the same issue. I think that the heart of the issue is that more men nowadays feel that they just don't matter. Not to society nor to anyone else. This leads to a situation where they will simply sacrific…

The dating dynamic changed too. As a man, you will be able to date if you are in the top 20% on height and general attractiveness. It wasn't always like that. In the recent past, you could have a girlfriend if you were average good looking and if you showed your worth. Good grades, good work prospects, etc. as long as you committed to a woman. That doesn't seem to work any more.

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Post by chongli »

dlp211 wrote: post #237
chongli wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the difference now is that the failing educational system is rendering the hill insurmountable. As an aspiring educator, it's becoming increasingly obvious to me that society expects teachers to be miracle-workers, to motivate children so they study really hard and get into a good college. Yet we don't expect the same from parents. Parents are spending less and less time with their kids, while the demands for educati…

> Parents are spending less and less time with their kids This is not true, in fact, parents are spending 2x more time with their kids. https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2017/11/27/parents-...

The vast majority of that increase looks to be caring for young children (under 6) and for physical needs [1]. Look at how little time is spent reading to kids or helping them with school. A lot of parents don't even know how to help their teens with math and science homework, unless they're highly educated in those subjects themselves.

[1] https://www.bls.gov/charts/american-time-use/activity-by-par...

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Post by TypeConfusi0n »

smattiso wrote: post #213
r0pchainer wrote: post #116

I am trying to figure out when people will realize that a society without healthy men taking charge and pushing forward is a dying society. It's even more obvious when we see other countries whose feminization of men has actually led to the decline of their population. Reading the sterile, cerebral responses here is a bit disconcerting, but expected given the participating audience, because "smart" people assume that…

So you are moving society forward? Your banal motivations of lifting heavy things and having sex with random women is noble? Says who? You exploit software so that other people can steal, spy, etc. and I would argue that your life is even more purposeless than that of the hedonist. Unless you are building something useful or performing needed services to improve human life who cares? The truth is that everybody is mo…

Burner account cuz I was told to "slow down" and I don't wanna wait for the timeout, this is my last post.

Man you are missing out, but I'm going to check out now because I think I've made my point, and I've clearly rustled some people's jimmies. Also, regarding selling exploits, governments are one my biggest clients. They sometimes use these exploits to bust onion sites where "illegal activity" is taking place. I personally don't give a shit what they use it for, but never forget The Balance.

Anyway, this is good. Keep people like me in the back of your mind. Remember that happiness is just dopamine. And dopamine gets released when you ejaculate, naturally. It doesn't get released as much when you find the missing semicolon. Family and sense of belonging also generates happiness, but it is on the decline. Don't overcomplicate it. Make the most of it. Contentment is long-term average happiness. Keep it simple, have fun.

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Post by _7kf0 »

lidHanteyk wrote: post #67
tmux314 wrote: post #42

There's a very weird "let them eat cake" attitude in this thread which I find distressing. The study reports on the millions of working age men in the US who are essentially too depressed and face too many obstacles to search for work. Instead, they're spending their days staying inside, getting high, and playing video games. They essentially have little to no chance to pursue romantic relationships. Many of them eve…

To give my perspective: I'm a cake-eater. I have a dayjob, but I don't really care about it beyond basic professionalism, and I spend a fair amount of my spare time with cannabis and video games rather than with people. Who cares if my male peers think I'm a loser? Most of them are incompetent mooching pieces of shit, and I don't have to believe in their crab mentality. They can say "loser" all they like. Who cares i…

Word.

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Post by halfnormalform »

chongli wrote: post #235
helen___keller wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So... what do you want? A government program to promote the joys of being a housewife? Do you really think that will move the needle on a systemic socioeconomic issue? Or would you rather see an authoritarian solution? I'm sure that will go over well. Keep in mind regardless of what you want as a woman, there's very real economic risk to being dependent on a man. Wanting to live a happy life as a housewife doesn't pu…

Keep in mind regardless of what you want as a woman, there's very real economic risk to being dependent on a man. Before we automated away most of the jobs for men (leading to the current crisis) we did it first for women, with household appliances like refrigerators, laundry machines, and dishwashers. Go back to the 18th century (or earlier) and you'll find that husband and wife are equally dependent on one another.…

Eh, the "family bond" of the Amish also involves ruthlessly shunning their children and the children of their neighbors for doing things that most people would consider completely normal, so grain of salt re: tight bonds.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/amish-shun...

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Post by leetcrew »

marcosdumay wrote: post #123
frockington1 wrote: post #92

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Is there anything you have done that has improved motivation of your kids to get out of the house? I'm asking as a mid-twenty year old who has a few friends that haven't had a real job in years and wants to help. The main issue I've run into is that they just don;t care they are burdening their parents

When I was younger, everybody just wished for independence. What changed? I'm betting on housing cost and low quality of life for youngs, but well, I do have very little evidence to substantiate it.

I have some twenty-something friends with upper-middle class parents who still live with them. they either didn't finish college or chose a less lucrative major than CS. they have low-wage jobs and mostly work less than fulltime.

the common thread I see is that living with their parents simply offers a higher standard of living than they could have if they moved out. I live in a relatively low COL area, so they would certainly be able to make ends meet if they cut the cord. but they would eat worse food, have a smaller room, and little money left over to save or go out. I imagine it's hard to find to motivation to work harder just to move out and decrease one's standard of living. I was very fortunate to land a good job straight out of college where I was actually able to increase my standard of living after moving out (although I do miss my mom's cooking).

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Post by ecoled_ame »

wayoutthere wrote: post #28

I think male socialization has left many men poorly-equipped to deal with the modern workplace. Prior to the information age, the primary challenges in the workplace were physical or motivational. So an attitude of "be tough and work through the hard times" was effective and allowed you to earn a living. Boorish behavior was tolerated or even celebrated as "male bonding". But as women entered more professions, that b…

So true. As I entered the workforce I was amazed at how different the challenges I faced were from what I had expected before working in an office/lab setting. I feel like I’m constantly feeling out & soothing the emotions of the people (mostly women and men with whom I would probably get along with in an all-male setting). I’m not good at public relations and frankly I don’t want to be - I wanted to be a scientist. But instead I feel like I am a kid at a daycare.

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Post by r0pchainer »

smattiso wrote: post #213
r0pchainer wrote: post #116

I am trying to figure out when people will realize that a society without healthy men taking charge and pushing forward is a dying society. It's even more obvious when we see other countries whose feminization of men has actually led to the decline of their population. Reading the sterile, cerebral responses here is a bit disconcerting, but expected given the participating audience, because "smart" people assume that…

So you are moving society forward? Your banal motivations of lifting heavy things and having sex with random women is noble? Says who? You exploit software so that other people can steal, spy, etc. and I would argue that your life is even more purposeless than that of the hedonist. Unless you are building something useful or performing needed services to improve human life who cares? The truth is that everybody is mo…

Man you are missing out, but I'm going to check out now because I think I've made my point, and I've clearly rustled some people's jimmies. Also, regarding selling exploits, the government is one my biggest clients. They sometimes use these exploits to bust onion sites where "illegal activity" is taking place. I personally don't give a shit what they use it for, can be for good or evil. You pay me 50k, I give you a Drupal 0-day with privesc and persistence. I sell you the gun, you decide what to do with it. Red team operations are all legal, people hire me for that. I perform zero illegal activity. :)

Anyway, remember that happiness is just dopamine. And dopamine gets released when you ejaculate. It doesn't get released as much when you find the missing semicolon. Don't overcomplicate it. Contentment is long-term average happiness. Keep it simple, have fun.

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