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What Happens After Prisoners Learn to Code?

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Re: What Happens After Prisoners Learn to Code?

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I feel like you're referring to the seam of high individualism in American culture. imho, that's the lie. And if we don't come to see that, it might be our collective undoing. There's a reason our highest form of punishment is to isolate. It's not our functional unit of existing. To truly isolate us from others is to punish us perhaps worse than death. So what makes people think the individual should be our highest f…

The reason we rest decision-making power in the individual is that it's democratizing. A community is not inherently a hierarchy. People can work together and achieve common goals without vesting ultimate power a Supreme Leader. It just means that you have to convince people that what you want the group to do is good, instead of ordering it by fiat. And if some people want to split off and do something different, div…

> The reason we rest decision-making power in the individual is that it's democratizing.

I've studied in democratic reform, and work in civic tech space. There's a book called _Democracy for Realists_ which I highly recommend. It's a wonderful book, but it eviscerates most of what we understand colloquially about democracy. (Or at least did for me)

You are walking around a piece of democracy that is entrenched in "folk democratic theory" -- things people talk about as being the basis of effective democracy. But in democratic theory, folk democracy appears to have much evidence against it, and very few serious academics advocate for it as an explanatory theory. It's telling is part of the glue perhaps, because systems must appear simple and understandable to its participants, or else it can be destabilized too easily :) the works for electoral systems too -- people need to feel like they understand it in order to trust it's outcomes, nevermind if first-past-the-post is truly best.

The individual is very flawed, and democracy might work despite it's individual nature, not because of it. Political parties and identity groups outside the original structure of democracy perhaps stabilize a system that puts decision-making power into a very ineffective unit. (The individual)

Anyhow, it's been awhile since I worked deeply on this stuff (and not as an academic myself), and I might be misspeaking some parts that an academic could correct me on, but I'm sure the general thrust of the above is true :)

Re: What Happens After Prisoners Learn to Code?

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Thanks for sharing your story. It really makes me angry to hear about the countless obstacles the formerly incarcerated face when it comes to reintegrating into society. As you put it, the debt to society has been paid. Someone who makes a mistake when they're young and stupid -- I know I made my share -- shouldn't be prevented from ever being able to have a good, normal life.

"As you put it, the debt to society has been paid." It's not so simple. A murderer or rapist may have served his term in prison but still not have made restitution to the victim or his or her family. However, it's good for felons to find work after incarceration so that they can support themselves and ideally make amends to victims.

Good point. I also find it to be an odd turn of phrase considering we spent those decades paying 70k a year or whatever to take care of them in prison. I'm going to have to start saying that my debt to society has been paid whenever I've just cost the taxpayers a great deal of money.

Re: What Happens After Prisoners Learn to Code?

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> religious framework The founders who wrote the First Amendment clearly disagreed with that.

The opposite is true. It is ahistorical to look at the Constitution as protecting only an individualistic form of religious liberty, merely individual freedom of conscience. At the time of the founding, America was comprised of communities practicing different religions (mainly different forms of Christianity). But within each community, there was a strong, very public religious framework. Indeed, several states had…

So if some US states established Islam or Judaism as a state religion, you'd be fine with that?

Re: What Happens After Prisoners Learn to Code?

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> convince people to either not vote - or to vote against their personal best interests. I’ve seen this on HN several times, and it always cracks me up. The condescension isn't dripping. It’s running in torrents. You think the reason they won’t vote the way you want is because they don’t know what’s good for themselves. You might want to consider an alternate: they don’t want someone like you deciding what’s good for…

The UK has just had an election where many people voted for the party which has been in power for nearly ten years and been an utter disaster. Because they want change. Condescension has nothing to do with it. It's empirically observable that a proportion of the electorate doesn't vote in its own best interests. It's also empirically observable there's an entire industry of media outlets, think-tanks, journalists, bl…

No, you’re just upset they didn’t vote for your preferred party.
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