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How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer

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Re: How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer

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It's more about stop earning money, because large userbase still use Chrome and Google Search regardless of individual dev preferences.

How about; stop putting profit over your customer's privacy?

You aren't the customer, you're the product...

Google is an advertising company.

Re: How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer

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Neither does google anymore though. Their search quality has gone hill dramatically in the last 4-5 years. It basically correlates with wikipedia no longer being the first result of most searches; it was largely replaced with commercialized garbage. Getting the highest quality, unbiased information you asked for isn't really their first priority anymore and it shows. I tried DDG when it first came out and found it un…

The reason Google, or search engines in general, seem to be getting worse in the eyes of some users, is not the result of the functioning of the engine necessarily, but rather of the content of the web itself. The whole web is organized and optimized more and more for clicks and watch time. It would only make sense that the results seem to be correspondingly worse.

That doesn't explain why DDG's results are improving, though.

Re: How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer

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Here's one great takeaway: > Treat the cause: Third-party requests slow down the web > ... > - Google owns 7 of the top 10 most popular third-party calls > ... > So you can see why there must be some kind of internal struggle at Google. They understand the value of a faster web but they also cannot go after the main cause of the slow web. And this is how technology such as AMP gets invented and makes things worse. It…

> Use the `!gm` google maps bang when you need it

That is not how it works for me. One of common things I might do is look up a place, like a bar or a restaurant or theater or whatever. When I do this in Google, I immediately get a link to the website, a link to the reviews, pictures of inside and outside and a link to the map. Right at the top of the page. With DDG, all I get is a link to the website if the place has one and possibly a link to a yelp page. I have to do multiple additional searches and then cut and paste the address into a separate tab to open the map to get the same result.

Re: How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer

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> I saw many flaws and bugs. Can you tell us about (or link us to) some of the many bugs you found in Firefox?

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594876 - 9 years old https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1210727 - 4 years old https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1010527 - 6 years old Not to mention the weird random full-blown crashes that occur when I try to use it that I can't reproduce, no point in opening an issue for those.

Back when I did use FF, anytime I actually tried to report bugs I would just get the canned response, "disable your plugins and reset your user profile".

Re: How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer

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Here's one great takeaway: > Treat the cause: Third-party requests slow down the web > ... > - Google owns 7 of the top 10 most popular third-party calls > ... > So you can see why there must be some kind of internal struggle at Google. They understand the value of a faster web but they also cannot go after the main cause of the slow web. And this is how technology such as AMP gets invented and makes things worse. It…

> Stop using chrome. Honestly, wtf?! Firefox is awesome. I do not use Chrome, but I don't think Firefox is awesome. While I use FF, partly for moral reasons, my experience is average and I saw many flaws and bugs. I prefer the features of Vivaldi, which is based on Chromium, but does not phone home to Google. > STOP USING google SEARCH! While my default search engine is Duck Duck Go, I don't recommend it to friends a…

> I do not use Chrome, but I don't think Firefox is awesome.

I agree on both counts. If newbies ask me what browser they should use, I say Firefox. But I don't use the modern Firefox myself because I simply don't like it.

Re: How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer

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Why even ddg? Chrome and Firefox support this out of the box in the browsers.

Most importantly, DDG comes with a host of bangs, whereas firefox And I assume chrome as well) require some configuration. Secondarily, bangs work regardless of their position in your query. At least in Firefox, they must be the first word. Finally, I can use DDG with bangs from anyone's device, that I might not want to do any setup on. I do primarily use bangs from Firefox's address/search uni-bar, so if they added…

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Re: How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer

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I remember looking at the original HTML5 spec and going, there is no way lower power / low bandwidth / high latency devices will be able to handle this efficiently. Nevertheless, we moved fast and broke things, ratified the HTML5 spec and paved the cowpaths without a second thought to language or efficiency. Somewhere along the line, things came full circle. HTML was slow again, so we needed a new new way to efficien…

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Re: How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer

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Here's one great takeaway: > Treat the cause: Third-party requests slow down the web > ... > - Google owns 7 of the top 10 most popular third-party calls > ... > So you can see why there must be some kind of internal struggle at Google. They understand the value of a faster web but they also cannot go after the main cause of the slow web. And this is how technology such as AMP gets invented and makes things worse. It…

> It blows my mind how many devs around here are devoted to their browser and search. Are they though? Or is AMP just a storm-in-a-teacup? There a handful of people on Earth that will stop using Google search (in particular) and Chrome as a protest against AMP. > ... and yet a MAJOR investment in all of our future. [citation needed] Personalized search is not inherently bad. Use Google search without being logged in…

> Personalized search is not inherently bad.

Maybe, maybe not -- but Google's implementation of it is very much not great. It seems to ensure that I won't get the results that I'm looking for.

Re: How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer

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> STOP USING google SEARCH! USE DUCKDUCKGO! I want to stop using Google, but please realize that DuckDuckGo is only competitive with Google if English is your only language (maybe even only if you're American?). There are loads and loads of people on HN for whom DDG is a poor experience. In my experience DDG is extremely poor for localized results, especially those in other languages than English. Previously I recomm…

> maybe even only if you're American? Works fine in UK English too, although the "r:uk" modifier is often needed.

I never realised that existed. Does the r stand for region?
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