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Re: Help me ask why you didn't just

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post #198

This about the non verbal communications of tone and gesture. No amount of rewording will substitute for a smile.

Not everyone knows how to use non-verbal communication, either. Hopefully most of the people discussing this get that non-verbal is Plan A; and careful re-wording is Plan B, for when Plan A falls through.

Not a chance, I reckon. My evidence is just the whole setup/scenario on the blog post, and the fact that Ctrl-F "smile" only gives one result.

Re: Help me ask why you didn't just

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I would feel offended if anyone would feel the need to go easy on me, just say what you think. And if you are right I will be eternally grateful for being taught a new efficient trick. Do I look like such a weak person to you that you feel like you have to handle my self esteem with silk gloves? Thanks for the insult. And what is it with this 2 intentions? The third is the obvious correct one where I'm not familiar w…

It's such a fine line to walk between discussing an issue about work, and directly insulting a human being. And so very often, the receiver interprets the message entirely differently than the sender.

So I'd say regardless of how powerful you feel, personally, the same fortitude should not be assumed to exist in everybody, all the time. It's not about the strength of a person, but about avoiding harm wherever possible.

Harming people, whether intentionally or not, is just never worthwhile. If that means "silk gloves" and "weakness", so be it.

Re: Help me ask why you didn't just

#243
I can paraphrase the vast majority of answers as "why don't you just remove the word 'just'?"

The real issue is that if you don't know how to smile and be friendly and respectful in your body language, minor rephrasings won't help.

Re: Help me ask why you didn't just

#244
After reading this, Its killing me not knowing what they built, used, or implemented instead of using sshd. It would add much more context.

Is the author a Lead? Manager? Architect? On the same team, or department? A direct peer?

All of this matters in order to better answer the main question presented in the article.

Why wasnt more than one dev involved in discussing a design or possible solutions before the work was performed? If that was the case, where was the author when that happened?

Why didn't you just already know they weren't using sshd?

Re: Help me ask why you didn't just

#245

I’m just thinking about how in Medicine, lots of people would suffer if the helpers had trouble asking the basic questions. “Did you submit cultures?” “Why did you choose to ignore the liver enzymes in this case?” “Did you ask about a family history of X?” To a large extent, becoming professional is about becoming less sensitive to being wrong.

> To a large extent, becoming professional is about becoming less sensitive to being wrong.

I agree, but there's nothing to lose in trying to become a better communicator, you're not responsible for other people's sensitivity, but you are definitely in control of what and how you communicate.

Re: Help me ask why you didn't just

#246
post #207

There's no reason to be jumping straight in with "why" in this situation at all, one can perfectly reasonably ask "have you tried using sshd". Why doesn't the author just try putting it that way?

He mentions that there are complaints about even that approach.

Where does he mention that? I don't see it.

Re: Help me ask why you didn't just

#247
post #55

My go-to would be "Do you know if sshd would work?" To me, framing it directly as a knowledge question, and to not appear as if you're coming from a place of authority (unless you know both their problem and your solution both well enough to solve it without running into edge cases, and how often does that happen?). They either know or they don't, or potentially have a reason for not trying in the first place. If the…

Yes or "Is there a reason we don't use sshd here?"

Re: Help me ask why you didn't just

#248
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes! I’ve looked through these responses exasperated. This is the only one that I agree with. The people who say “why didn’t you just” often have a very limited understanding of the new thing, and naively reduce it to a problem they do understand.

To me, both responses are the same. Orwell's "Politics and the English Language" comes to mind. You're saying exactly the same thing but in a bureaucratic form. Reading other posts here the message I get is that a lot of people work in dysfunctional environments in which everyone's at each other's throat or something. My default assumption would be that obviously my colleague isn't being an asshole...

The majority of times people have said “why don’t you just...” to me the answer is that if they understood what $thing was trying to do they wouldn’t have asked the question. They’re not being “assholes” they’re just headed toward it from a wrong assumption (they’re assumption is that they understand what $thing does, but they don’t.) so my advice to anyone suggesting just do $x is that they need to try to understand what they don’t understand about $thing, don’t even worry about $x.

Re: Help me ask why you didn't just

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I don't know about you, but if I talk to someone about a problem, the "why didn't you just $FOO" suggestions are exactly the ones I'm looking for.

Because the tech environment has become so complex that there is probably a simple API I could have used but I wasn't aware of it.

How about we stop assuming people are out to hurt us, and start assuming everybody is well-meaning but they have social issues just like me? Just like every other nerd in tech!

Re: Help me ask why you didn't just

#250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Favoriting your comment here. You just gave 2 "learn within 1 minute social skills" lessons within one HN comment. There's a lot to unpack here. 1. Your way of analyzing on how it could be less threatening 2. The final answer to it being less threatening 3. Praise in public, criticize in private I'm normally not a fan of simple sentences, but the sentence of (3) is one I'll keep in mind when I'll start my career. Tha…

Praise in public, criticize in private In my (considerable) experience of working in large organisation (private and public), whether this works or not depends strongly on the power differential between praiser/criticiser and praisee/criticisee. Basically this is the most likely outcome: - Powerless praises publicly and criticises privately: criticism will be ignored, praise will be milked. - Powerless praises privat…

The phrase "you are wrong" is one of the fastest ways to get someone's back up against the wall. In your example, completely removing that phrase doesn't change the meaning and it eliminates negativity.
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