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Re: Shibboleths that get you past the initial script stage

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Post by loco5niner »

sneak wrote: post #239
loco5niner wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The impetus is not on the listener to "read through" the deception, the impetus is on the speaker to not purposefully deceive. Whether you deceive by purposefully implying a falsehood or by purposefully denoting a falsehood it is still a lie. Seriously, how far are you willing to go in your attempts to justify lying? You are basically saying "If I define my lie this way, it isn't a lie" It's far easier and better for…

At no point in the events described did he do anything other than “simply tell the truth”. The words he quoted himself as saying were factually accurate.

You are basically using lawyer-speak. You can be legally right, while still being morally wrong.

Re: Shibboleths that get you past the initial script stage

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Post by sneak »

loco5niner wrote: post #241
sneak wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At no point in the events described did he do anything other than “simply tell the truth”. The words he quoted himself as saying were factually accurate.

You are basically using lawyer-speak. You can be legally right, while still being morally wrong.

I am speaking in terms of objective truth, which is independent of any nation’s laws or legal system, or subjective morals.

Re: Shibboleths that get you past the initial script stage

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Post by loco5niner »

sneak wrote: post #242
loco5niner wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are basically using lawyer-speak. You can be legally right, while still being morally wrong.

I am speaking in terms of objective truth, which is independent of any nation’s laws or legal system, or subjective morals.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Re: Shibboleths that get you past the initial script stage

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Post by lolc »

aguyfromnb wrote: post #221
lolc wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're lacking context. It says that when you don't know where to send correspondence at big banks you could try and address investor relations because they are usually bored and will gladly forward your complaint to the right department. This is where the investor part comes in. And only there. Other suggestions are that you could address the legal department because they are diligent by law. Or the CEO, because if…

> Note that the cases talked about involve legal deadlines so knowingly delaying to handle them is not a good option. Are we reading the same thread? The cases talked about are mundane customer service interactions. My significant other works in consumer facing healthcare. Every day customers come in proclaiming they "know the owner" or "are a lawyer" or "will take their business elsewhere", expecting to be prioritiz…

I'm talking about the article linked in the comment upthread which is about identity theft. Where in that article or the thread was it suggested to refer to yourself as a shareholder to customer service? It's only ever mentioned as a reason to contact investor relations.

The author specifically recommends against grandstanding exactly because it signals "not a professional". So I really don't get your complaint.

Re: Shibboleths that get you past the initial script stage

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Post by pavel_lishin »

sneak wrote: post #238
pavel_lishin wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One can lie by remaining entirely silent. Yup. An example would be listening to someone reach the wrong conclusion, and by staying silent and not correcting them, implying that they were correct.

Do you also find trolley problem non-lever-pullers to be murderers?

I'm no longer sure this is a good-faith discussion we're having.

Re: Shibboleths that get you past the initial script stage

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Post by mwattsun »

pgcj_poster wrote: post #201
mwattsun wrote: post #79

The misuse of slang is probably the most common indicator that a person is not really a member of the group. Or not even slang, but just using the wrong word. For example of both, I know a businessman who retired recently and decided in retirement to present himself as a laid back ex-hippie (I live in Santa Cruz - a good choice of persona for this area) He grew his hair long and started wearing tie-die. Except, he re…

Note that the word "hippie" actually comes from an older usage of the word "hipster" ( https://www.etymonline.com/word/hippie#etymonline_v_12029 ).

Right, but hipster usually meant cool cat beatniks, not flower child hippies
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